[arin-ppml] Geoff's screed

[Joe Baptista]

Is it at all possible Milton that you can respond to something without
initiating a personal attack against someone. It's a bit slimy for an
academic respond in this fashion.

cheers
joe baptista

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:

> Wow.
>
> Geoff, this outburst is incredible. I am truly sorry that someone whose
> scientific work I greatly respect, and which is cited and praised in the
> paper, has produced such a sloppy, illogical reaction. My take is, frankly,
> that you haven't read the report at all. Nothing else can explain your
> fulminations below.
>
> First, you confuse the TABL proposal with the CIR proposal. They are two
> separate reports, produced by separate teams, with different and often
> conflicting policy implications.
>
> Quite an astounding error, considering that I explained the difference in
> the email that prompted this exchange. So when you say,
>
> > The ITU report proposes a market [sic] rationalist approach to address
> > distributing [sic] by advocating blocks to countries and allowing
> > countries  to develop their own national address allocation frameworks?
> > You are really calling this a "market based approach" Milton?
>
> No, I am not. That is what the CIR report proposed, not what I proposed.
> You are confusing two distinct reports and have probably not read either
> one.
>
> Second, if I am not mistaken, Geoff, you are and were one of the world's
> biggest supporters of ipv4 transfer markets, and are positioned as such in
> the upcoming Internet Governance Forum workshop, where you are teamed with
> <gasp> me in a debate with Tom Vest and Bill Woodcock.  It seems a bit
> schizophrenic for you to be issuing these blistering, condemnatory, and
> factless polemics alongside knee-jerk anti-market folks like Ted when the
> case for modest experimentation with Transferable AdBLs in v6 is not all
> that dissimilar to that of the arguments for transferability in v4.
>
> Third, you confuse this proposal with a 5-year old paper in which the idea
> of fostering competition in address allocation policies across different
> allocation authorities was proposed. That paper provoked one of the most
> amateurish attempts at economic analysis you have ever penned, Geoff: the
> joint paper with Wilson.  In that paper you argued that whenever competing
> entities allocate the same resource there will be an uncontrollable spiral
> to fast depletion - an argument that conflicts with known facts about our
> experience with hundreds of natural and man made resources and with
> everything we know about how competing firms handle resources on which their
> existence depends. The argument of your paper was refuted easily and
> thoroughly, as it would fail as an Economics 101 term paper. Whatever, the
> paper we are discussing now makes a completely different argument, and the
> fact that a report by me irritated you 5 years ago really has no relevance
> to the assessment of the TABL pr
>  oposal.
>
> Let me go through a few more items here in an attempt to clean up the mess.
> But the overall tone of this is astounding.
>
> When is this community going to be able to sustain a rational discussion of
> the basic institutional economics of IP addressing in a way that
> incorporates two decades of institutionalism from Ostrom (who just won the
> Nobel prize) and about 6 decades of transaction cost economics?
>
> You can demonize me, and you can demonize "markets" in this isolated echoe
> chamber but neither you nor society as a whole can escape the need for
> complete and full discussion of the policy alternatives around IPv6
> allocations. Better get used to rational discourse and put aside the
> hyperventilating and accusations that so and so is out to "destroy the
> Internet."
>
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