[arin-ppml] Straw poll on special policy for electric energyindustry

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

Kevin,

   The entire ARIN justification scheme for address assignment is based
on the intended use or perceived planning ability of the netadmin.

   TCP/IP addresses have ALWAYS been assigned based on projected
utilization, which is as close to intended use or perceived planning
ability of the netadmin as you can get.

   The utilization that Michael is concerned about, if it happened,
would be an order of magnitude larger than spammers and porn
distributors - I daresay that every spammer and porn distributor
on the Internet today could fit into just a single assignment made
to an entity that planned on using public IPv4 in a widely distributed
embedded device.  (such as a refrigerator)

Ted


Kevin Kargel wrote:
> I have strong objections to implementing restrictive policy because of
> intended use or the perceived planning ability of the netadmin.
> 
> Are you seriously suggesting that we should blacklist a consumer because
> they want to make plans to consume IP addresses??  Ar you suggesting that
> the electric company should be denied a large block of IP addresses when
> when large blocks have been granted to spammers and porn distributors?  
> 
> ARIN is a registry, as such we do not have the mission of dictating internal
> network policy.
> 
> I think education and IPv6 assistance is the proper avenue to take if the
> facts are as represented.  The electric utilities will figure out soon
> enough that public IPv4 is not a feasible communications vehicle.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Kevin Kargel
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>> Behalf Of michael.dillon at bt.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:51 PM
>> To: ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: [arin-ppml] Straw poll on special policy for electric
>> energyindustry
>>
>>
>> This is just a question to see what people think about creating a
>> special policy that applies to companies wishing to provide
>> infrastructure for the electric utility industry Smart Grid.
>>
>> Basically, the situation is this as described by Richard Shockey on the
>> IETF list:
>>
>>    Myself and others are deeply concerned by how this effort is
>> developing.
>>    There is no current consensus on what the communications architecture
>> of the
>>    SmartGrid is or how IP actually fits into it.
>>
>>    The Utility Industry does not understand the current IPv4 number
>> exhaust
>>    problem and the consequences of that if they want to put a IP address
>> on
>>    every Utility Meter in North America.
>>
>>    What is equally troubling is that many of the underlying protocols
>> that
>>    utilities wish to deploy are not engineered for IPv6. We have an
>> example of
>>    that in a recent ID.
>>
>> Basically, what I am suggesting is that we introduce a special policy
>> that
>> bans the Electric Utility industry from receiving any IPv4 addressing at
>> all,
>> either direct ARIN allocations or ISP assignments, if those addresses
>> are intended
>> for any kind of Smart Grid application. This ban would also apply to
>> third parties
>> and subcontractors who might be operating components of the Smart Grid.
>>
>> Note that this special policy would not apply to any other use of IP in
>> an
>> electric utility company, only to the Smart Grid.
>>
>> This would send a clear message to the utility industry that there is
>> simply not enough IPv4 address space left for a new major user, and
>> would
>> help them get their plans around IPv6 worked out earlier, rather than
>> wasting their time and money on something that will NEVER fly.
>>
>> Seems to me this fits well within ARIN's educational purpose.
>>
>> If possible, we should try to word this policy in such a way that it
>> could be adopted by the other RIRs because the Smart Grid movement is
>> now world wide.
>>
>> --Michael Dillon
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