[arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of Education

Marshall Eubanks tme at multicasttech.com
Mon Nov 30 11:03:54 EST 2009 

On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Christopher Mettin wrote:

> Our postal address is as follows:
>
> Gymnasium Querfurt High School
> An der Geispromenade 29
> Querfurt, ST 06268
>
> And an IP for example is 217.234.79.76, which is dynamically  
> assigned by a
> German Service Provider.
>
> As far as I could figure it out, we get assignments in the range from
> 217.334.0.1 to 217.334.255.254.
>
> Why do you need that?
>
> Ah yeah, I am sorry if I have never told it in that way, legally the  
> school
> is actually on American ground, we even have a Union flag with 51  
> stars in
> front of the school building.
>

This is off-topic, but you might want to count those stars again .

More on topic is that you forgot to mention that you are operating a  
TLD registry

http://tld.gqbc-online.com/

Regards
Marshall


> Any other questions?
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Christopher Mettin
> Gymnasium Querfurt High School
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com 
> ]
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:23 PM
> To: Christopher Mettin
> Cc: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the  
> Right of
> Education
>
> the national science foundation is not under the department of  
> defense.
> and actually, they did - due to agreement within the then Federal
> Networking
> Council - transfering responsiblity to the NSF from DoD.
>
> for further edification, may I ask a few questions?
>
> ) can you provide a postal address for Gymnasium Querfurt High School?
> ) what prefix(es) are you currently using? dynamic assignements from  
> your
> 	ISP are fine.
>
> --bill
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 03:58:36PM +0100, Christopher Mettin wrote:
>> Is the NSF an agency under the Department of Defense? If not they  
>> had no
>> right to delegate ARIN control over IP address registrations.
>> And unfortunately I know what it means if a government organization
> approves
>> a plan of a commercial company -> lobbying. Not that lobbying would  
>> be
>> something bad, but sometimes it looks like not everyone was asked.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>> Christopher Mettin
>> Gymnasium Querfurt High School
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com 
>> ]
>
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:18 AM
>> To: Milton L Mueller
>> Cc: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com; Christopher Mettin
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the  
>> Right of
>> Education
>>
>>
>> well - here is one...
>>
>> 	http://128.150.4.107/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=102819
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com 
>> ]
>
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:38 AM
>> To: Christopher Mettin
>> Cc: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the  
>> Right of
>> Education
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 04:09:25PM +0100, Christopher Mettin wrote:
>>>
>>> But would there generally be a problem with my model of assigning IP
>>> addresses to educational institutions through GQHS as LIR?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>> Christopher Mettin
>>> Gymnasium Querfurt High School
>>>
>>
>> 	don't really know.  you'd have to ask ARIN.
>> 	and since this is the public policy list, not sure
>> 	that asking here is the same as asking ARIN.
>>
>> --bill
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 07:14:11PM -0500, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>> Bill
>>> Would like to see any documents memorializing the "consent of the
>> governments of the region."
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml- 
>>>> bounces at arin.net]
> On
>>>> Behalf Of bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:10 AM
>>>> To: Christopher Mettin
>>>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the  
>>>> Right
>> of
>>>> Education
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ARIN manages the IP space for its region based on the consent of  
>>>> its
>>>> members and the governments in that region.
>>>>
>>>> ARINs finances are a matter of public record - you can find them on
> the
>>>> ARIN web site.
>>>>
>>>> As for your proposal to replace ARIN with GQHS, I for one, would  
>>>> like
> to
>>>> see the dialog between you/GQHS and the IANA as a matter of public
>> record.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to change the ARIN proceedures for address
> allocation
>>>> and
>>>> stewardship - the process is open and available to all.  You just  
>>>> have
>> to
>>>> convince others to agree with you on your well thought out, viable
>>>> alternative.
>>>>
>>>> Please ensure that you either cover all the things ARIN does or  
>>>> find
>> other
>>>> parties to take on those roles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Luck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 01:53:26PM +0100, Christopher Mettin wrote:
>>>>> ARIN Community,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does ARIN manage the IP addresses allocated to North America?
> Did
>>>> they
>>>>> win a competition in cost-effeteness and reliability?
>>>>>
>>>>> And does ARIN show a proof that the fees cover at least 90% of  
>>>>> their
>>>>> operating costs?
>>>>>
>>>>> If IANA would replace ARIN with GQHS today, I could offer  
>>>>> everyone a
>> /20
>>>>> block for just $10 annually and no cent more. GQHS will also have
> less
>>>>> operation costs and that will save our environment a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will propose this idea to IANA soon. Maybe "Virginian non- 
>>>>> profit"
>>>> actually
>>>>> means they just don't have any stocks but I bet they make a  
>>>>> million
>>>> revenue
>>>>> each year. At all, they are not the right organization to manage  
>>>>> IP
>>>>> addresses it seems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone a problem with IP addresses given away for as cheap  
>>>>> as a
>> .com
>>>>> domain?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>>> Christopher
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Per Heldal [mailto:heldal at eml.cc]
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:05 AM
>>>>> To: Christopher Mettin
>>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the
> Right
>>>> of
>>>>> Education
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/2009 02:16 AM, Christopher Mettin wrote:
>>>>>> The fact that one can't access the Internet without an IP address
>> and
>>>> that
>>>>>> ARIN sells them.
>>>>>
>>>>> RIR's don't sell IP-addresses. Addresses are assigned for a
> documented
>>>>> purpose. The RIRs are not-for-profit organisations. The fee is not
> for
>>>>> the IP-addresses themselves, but rather to cover the  
>>>>> administrative
>>>>> costs of running the RIR-operations organization.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> My suggestion would be that you hit up your respective ISPs to
> give
>>>> you
>>>>>>> static addresses at no extra charge for the good will and
> possible
>>>> tax
>>>>>>> benefits.  Even if they're only willing to give you /29s, you  
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> harmonize your RFC1918 address space use and use VPNs that
> properly
>>>>>>> reflect your security policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, VPS, you cannot set them up so easily if you don't have a
>>>> commonly
>>>>>> known (static) IP address of the end-point. Where should we send
> the
>>>> VPS
>>>>>> connection request if our IP always changes? Maybe try out every
>> host
>>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>>> entire ISP subnet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our Internet connection is paid by the state. And under the
> current
>>>>> contract
>>>>>> we actually even not allowed to publish a simple website from our
>>>> network.
>>>>>> So why should they give us a static IP to make it easier for us  
>>>>>> to
>> do
>>>> so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can not blame the internet-community for your organisation's
>> failure
>>>>> to negotiate a contract that meets your needs. I doubt you'll  
>>>>> find a
>>>>> serious SP anywhere that doesn't offer contracts that include  
>>>>> static
>>>>> addressing. So far there's been no mention of a need for
> multi-homing
>>>>> which normally is the key requirement to justify direct  
>>>>> assignments.
>>>>> What difference does the fee make if you don't qualify for an
>> allocation
>>>>> in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So the reason why ARIN should change its policies is that we want
>> ARIN
>>>> to
>>>>>> allocate us some IP addresses which are the only way for us to
> solve
>>>> our
>>>>>> little problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should resolve this with the people who are responsible for a
>>>>> service-contract that doesn't meet your functional requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> //per
>>>>>
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