[arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of Education

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Mon Nov 30 11:01:24 EST 2009


As a US ISP who has provided internet service for many schools I will agree with others who have advised you here that your best venue will be to get the schools involved to request IP addresses from their internet service provider.  If they can justify this with a need (and a classroom project would satisfy that need) I am sure the ISP's will work with the schools.

This is especially true if the project at this time is a proof of concept and may or may not be a permanent installation.  If the project evaporates it will be much easier to re-assimilate the IP addresses if they were allocated by the ISP.

When your project is mature and proven then will be the appropriate time to approach the community with a request for a permanent assignment.  Even then the schools will need to coordinate with the ISP to make sure it is possible to advertise the allocation properly.

Best regards,
Kevin Kargel
Polar Communications,110 4th Street East,Park River, ND 58270
Tel: (701)284-7221 x330 (800)284-7222 Fax: (701)284-2758
kkargel at polartel.com or sysadmin at polarcomm.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Christopher Mettin
> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:17 PM
> To: jradel at vantage.com; arin-ppml at arin.net; 'Scott Leibrand';
> sethm at rollernet.us; 'David Farmer'; joelja at bogus.com;
> mcr at marajade.sandelman.ca
> Subject: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of
> Education
> ARIN Community,
> This message is on my proposed resolution to the current ARIN policy and
> fee
> structure.
> Seth Mattinen wrote:
> >What exactly makes you think you need to pay ARIN to get on the internet?
> The fact that one can't access the Internet without an IP address and that
> ARIN sells them.
> Seth Mattinen wrote:
> >As somebody has already touched on, I'd be surprised if all the ISPs
> >involved allowed you to bring /24s to the table, particularly ones
> >"donated" by somebody else that has no relationship to any of the
> >involved schools, yet didn't have static addresses available upon
> >request.  What do your ISPs have to say about all this?
> >
> >Second, might I suggest that you look into VPNs as a partial solution to
> >your security issues, although admittedly they're easier to setup if you
> >have static IP addresses at your disposal.
> >
> >Third, you appear to be going down a path of using fixed IP addresses to
> >separate insiders from outsiders who use the same ISP, with insiders
> >trusted and the other ISP customers not trusted.  That strikes me as a
> >rather simplistic threat model to be working with.  Frankly, without any
> >further information, I'd say the odds are that the curious and malicious
> >that are already on the school networks are much more likely to mess
> >around with the other school's equipment than random ISP customers
> >are.   Not that it's a bad thing to restrict the outsiders, but.....
> >
> >I admit the above may be selling your analysis of the situation short,
> >but nothing I've seen about the problem you're trying to solve even
> >begins to address why ARIN should change its fee structure or completely
> >change the requirements for PI space assignment (if my guess that you're
> >all single-homed school networks and in no danger of justifying a /20 is
> >correct).
> >My suggestion would be that you hit up your respective ISPs to give you
> >static addresses at no extra charge for the good will and possible tax
> >benefits.  Even if they're only willing to give you /29s, you can
> >harmonize your RFC1918 address space use and use VPNs that properly
> >reflect your security policies.
> Yep, VPS, you cannot set them up so easily if you don't have a commonly
> known (static) IP address of the end-point. Where should we send the VPS
> connection request if our IP always changes? Maybe try out every host on
> the
> entire ISP subnet?
> Our Internet connection is paid by the state. And under the current
> contract
> we actually even not allowed to publish a simple website from our network.
> So why should they give us a static IP to make it easier for us to do so?
> So the reason why ARIN should change its policies is that we want ARIN to
> allocate us some IP addresses which are the only way for us to solve our
> little problem.
> Thannk you.
> Sincerely yours,
> Christopher Mettin
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