[arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of Education
cmettin at gqbc-online.com
Sat Nov 28 20:16:31 EST 2009
This message is on my proposed resolution to the current ARIN policy and fee
Seth Mattinen wrote:
>What exactly makes you think you need to pay ARIN to get on the internet?
The fact that one can't access the Internet without an IP address and that
ARIN sells them.
Seth Mattinen wrote:
>As somebody has already touched on, I'd be surprised if all the ISPs
>involved allowed you to bring /24s to the table, particularly ones
>"donated" by somebody else that has no relationship to any of the
>involved schools, yet didn't have static addresses available upon
>request. What do your ISPs have to say about all this?
>Second, might I suggest that you look into VPNs as a partial solution to
>your security issues, although admittedly they're easier to setup if you
>have static IP addresses at your disposal.
>Third, you appear to be going down a path of using fixed IP addresses to
>separate insiders from outsiders who use the same ISP, with insiders
>trusted and the other ISP customers not trusted. That strikes me as a
>rather simplistic threat model to be working with. Frankly, without any
>further information, I'd say the odds are that the curious and malicious
>that are already on the school networks are much more likely to mess
>around with the other school's equipment than random ISP customers
>are. Not that it's a bad thing to restrict the outsiders, but.....
>I admit the above may be selling your analysis of the situation short,
>but nothing I've seen about the problem you're trying to solve even
>begins to address why ARIN should change its fee structure or completely
>change the requirements for PI space assignment (if my guess that you're
>all single-homed school networks and in no danger of justifying a /20 is
>My suggestion would be that you hit up your respective ISPs to give you
>static addresses at no extra charge for the good will and possible tax
>benefits. Even if they're only willing to give you /29s, you can
>harmonize your RFC1918 address space use and use VPNs that properly
>reflect your security policies.
Yep, VPS, you cannot set them up so easily if you don't have a commonly
known (static) IP address of the end-point. Where should we send the VPS
connection request if our IP always changes? Maybe try out every host on the
entire ISP subnet?
Our Internet connection is paid by the state. And under the current contract
we actually even not allowed to publish a simple website from our network.
So why should they give us a static IP to make it easier for us to do so?
So the reason why ARIN should change its policies is that we want ARIN to
allocate us some IP addresses which are the only way for us to solve our
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