[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6

[Davis, Terry L]

Bill

I would agree with that.  We could actually work the global reachability issue separately but I think that view runs strongly against the grain. 

Take care
Terry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 2:01 PM
> To: Davis, Terry L
> Cc: 'michael.dillon at bt.com'; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6
> 
> 
> Terry,
> 	you hint at, but never bring out the fact that in the 1980's there
> was less emphasis on connectivity
> and much more interest in ensuring global uniqueness. Back in that
> timeframe, there was no expectation on connectivity
> to some mythic core as a precondition to get resources.
> 
> 	the current IPv6 polices make and re-inforce that expectation - with
> the results you see/docuement below.
> i'd be much happier to see a policy structure that was more concerned w/
> getting globally unique resources into the
> hands of people who can present a credible story than trying to reign in
> growth due to the problematic dragon at the
> door - e.g. the expectation of global connectivity.
> 
> 	e.g.  I favor uniqueness over reachability any day of the week
> 
> or in modren parlence...
> 
> +1
> 
> --bill
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 01:49:10PM -0700, Davis, Terry L wrote:
> > Michael
> >
> > Back in the mid-80's, I was starting to setup our labs to try IP and I
> discovered that my cohorts were using Sun's IP addresses (because they
> were shown in the example installation in our Sparcs) in our initial
> tests.  Like Matthew, I then sent off a simple email and asked for 50
> class C's and we began implementation with them.
> >
> > At the present time, startups and small business cannot even actually
> get IPv6 addresses unless their ISP/s support IPv6.  This is seriously
> broken.
> >
> > And yes I acknowledge that BGP can't tolerate the strain of individual
> allocations below a /32 (but that is another technical problem that we
> were going to fix 15 or so years ago).  A small business or startup does
> not even need a /48 (A Class B in v4 terms) but we have no way to tackle
> that yet.
> >
> > Simply we need a way to get IPv6 addresses into the hands of developers
> somehow.
> >
> > Take care
> > Terry
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> On
> > > Behalf Of michael.dillon at bt.com
> > > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:44 PM
> > > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6
> > >
> > > > Back in the (actually not so) early IPv4 days, I got an IPv4
> > > > /24 for my house. My friends and I learned a whole lot about
> > > > setting up IP networks using our real-world address. Didn't
> > > > cost us a cent, and many of us have gone on to do more
> > > > interesting things in the Internet world.
> > > >
> > > > Today, if my kids wanted to get a real IPv6 /32 to play with,
> > > > they'd have to pay a bunch of money and fill out a bunch of
> > > > paperwork. So they won't be doing that. Even though there's
> > > > plenty of IPv6 space for everyone on the planet to play.
> > >
> > > Your kids could get all the fun of IPv6 including BGP routing
> > > by using a /48. There is no need to give out /32s to kids who
> > > want to learn since a /48 is very subnettable. IPv6 is not IPv4.
> > >
> > > > Either we want to encourage adoption or we want to keep this
> > > > as tightly controlled as IPv4 has become. The former seems
> > > > like a better idea, given how IPv4 is going.
> > >
> > > We can't encourage adoption through policies because very few
> > > people even know what ARIN is, let alone what its policies are.
> > > The only way to encourage adoption is through marketing and
> > > promotion, which ARIN does do, but which are not part of
> > > policymaking.
> > >
> > > If the policy is an actual barrier, real or percieved, to
> > > IPv6 adoption, then it does make sense to adjust the policy,
> > > but I strongly disagree with discarding the policy entirely.
> > >
> > > --Michael Dillon
> > >
> > > P.S. tell your kids to apply for a PI /48 allocation and
> > > enjoy the fun.
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