[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6

[bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com]

Terry,
	you hint at, but never bring out the fact that in the 1980's there was less emphasis on connectivity
and much more interest in ensuring global uniqueness. Back in that timeframe, there was no expectation on connectivity
to some mythic core as a precondition to get resources.

	the current IPv6 polices make and re-inforce that expectation - with the results you see/docuement below.
i'd be much happier to see a policy structure that was more concerned w/ getting globally unique resources into the
hands of people who can present a credible story than trying to reign in growth due to the problematic dragon at the
door - e.g. the expectation of global connectivity.

	e.g.  I favor uniqueness over reachability any day of the week

or in modren parlence...

+1

--bill


On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 01:49:10PM -0700, Davis, Terry L wrote:
> Michael
> 
> Back in the mid-80's, I was starting to setup our labs to try IP and I discovered that my cohorts were using Sun's IP addresses (because they were shown in the example installation in our Sparcs) in our initial tests.  Like Matthew, I then sent off a simple email and asked for 50 class C's and we began implementation with them.
> 
> At the present time, startups and small business cannot even actually get IPv6 addresses unless their ISP/s support IPv6.  This is seriously broken.
> 
> And yes I acknowledge that BGP can't tolerate the strain of individual allocations below a /32 (but that is another technical problem that we were going to fix 15 or so years ago).  A small business or startup does not even need a /48 (A Class B in v4 terms) but we have no way to tackle that yet.
> 
> Simply we need a way to get IPv6 addresses into the hands of developers somehow.
> 
> Take care
> Terry
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> > Behalf Of michael.dillon at bt.com
> > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:44 PM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6
> > 
> > > Back in the (actually not so) early IPv4 days, I got an IPv4
> > > /24 for my house. My friends and I learned a whole lot about
> > > setting up IP networks using our real-world address. Didn't
> > > cost us a cent, and many of us have gone on to do more
> > > interesting things in the Internet world.
> > >
> > > Today, if my kids wanted to get a real IPv6 /32 to play with,
> > > they'd have to pay a bunch of money and fill out a bunch of
> > > paperwork. So they won't be doing that. Even though there's
> > > plenty of IPv6 space for everyone on the planet to play.
> > 
> > Your kids could get all the fun of IPv6 including BGP routing
> > by using a /48. There is no need to give out /32s to kids who
> > want to learn since a /48 is very subnettable. IPv6 is not IPv4.
> > 
> > > Either we want to encourage adoption or we want to keep this
> > > as tightly controlled as IPv4 has become. The former seems
> > > like a better idea, given how IPv4 is going.
> > 
> > We can't encourage adoption through policies because very few
> > people even know what ARIN is, let alone what its policies are.
> > The only way to encourage adoption is through marketing and
> > promotion, which ARIN does do, but which are not part of
> > policymaking.
> > 
> > If the policy is an actual barrier, real or percieved, to
> > IPv6 adoption, then it does make sense to adjust the policy,
> > but I strongly disagree with discarding the policy entirely.
> > 
> > --Michael Dillon
> > 
> > P.S. tell your kids to apply for a PI /48 allocation and
> > enjoy the fun.
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