[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 47, Issue 57

Wed May 20 21:25:44 EDT 2009

> I Opposed

A more positive approach would be a Arin cartoon animation on the demise of
IPv4 and the resulting rescue by super hero ipv6 screened on CNN. :)  7 days
as already mentioned is lost in the blink of an eye.
RD

>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> On
> > Behalf Of Member Services
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:06 AM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
> >
> > ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the
> > Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with Policy
> Development
> > Process.
> >
> > This proposal is in the first stage of the Policy Development Process.
> > ARIN staff will perform the Clarity and Understanding step. Staff does
> > not evaluate the proposal at this time, their goal is to make sure
> that
> > they understand the proposal and believe the community will as well.
> > Staff will report their results to the ARIN Advisory Council (AC)
> > within
> > 10 days.
> >
> > The AC will review the proposal at their next regularly scheduled
> > meeting (if the period before the next regularly scheduled meeting is
> > less than 10 days, then the period may be extended to the subsequent
> > regularly scheduled meeting). The AC will decide how to utilize the
> > proposal and announce the decision to the PPML.
> >
> > In the meantime, the AC invites everyone to comment on the proposal on
> > the PPML, particularly their support or non-support and the reasoning
> > behind their opinion. Such participation contributes to a thorough
> > vetting and provides important guidance to the AC in their
> > deliberations.
> >
> > The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
> > https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
> >
> > Mailing list subscription information can be found
> > at:https://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Member Services
> > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >
> >
> > ## * ##
> >
> >
> > Policy Proposal Name: IPv4 Example Shortages
> >
> > Proposal Originator:Martin J. Levy
> >
> > Proposal Version: 1.0
> >
> > Date: 20 May 2009
> >
> > Proposal type: new
> >
> > Policy term: permanent
> >
> > Policy statement:
> >
> > Add section 4.1.8 to the NRPM to state:
> >
> > 4.1.8 IPv4 Example Shortages
> >
> > Beginning on January 1, 2010, and on the first of each January and
> July
> > thereafter, for a period of 7 calendar days, ARIN will not process
> > requests from existing IPv4 holders for additional IPv4 space.
> >
> > Rationale:
> >
> > The IANA is expected to issue the last of the available IPv4 address
> > space to RIRs some time in 2011.  RIRs are expected to run out
> > approximately one year later.  These brief delays should be minimal
> > (no)
> > impact to organizations with existing space wanting more, but, can
> > provide a brief but visible glimpse into the future that awaits after
> > runout.
> >
> > Organizations which fail to plan for these delays will have the option
> > of waiting for ARIN to issue their space, or, can avail themselves of
> > the transfer policy contained in section 8.3 of the NRPM (resulting
> > from
> > policy proposals 2008-6 and 2009-1). The cost of these delays will be
> > minimal compared to what will happen when space simply is no longer
> > available.
> >
> > This policy has no impact on IPv6 assignments or allocations and has
> no
> > impact on new organizations making their first IPv4 request.
> >
> > Timetable for implementation: 1 January 2010
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PPML
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:17:46 -0500
> From: "George, Wes E [NTK]" <Wesley.E.George at sprint.com>
> To: Member Services <info at arin.net>, "arin-ppml at arin.net"
>        <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
> Message-ID:
>        <F7EB0A7C707E39409A73CD0353242551A7F1131A02 at PLSWM01C.ad.sprint.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I oppose this policy. As has been stated, 7 days doesn't make enough of a
> difference to get anyone's attention, and it's certainly not enough of a
> delay to drive people to look to alternatives like a transfer under the
> transfer policy, which would likely take months.
>
> Thanks,
> Wes
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Member Services
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:06 AM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
>
> ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the
> Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with Policy Development
> Process.
>
> This proposal is in the first stage of the Policy Development Process.
> ARIN staff will perform the Clarity and Understanding step. Staff does
> not evaluate the proposal at this time, their goal is to make sure that
> they understand the proposal and believe the community will as well.
> Staff will report their results to the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) within
> 10 days.
>
> The AC will review the proposal at their next regularly scheduled
> meeting (if the period before the next regularly scheduled meeting is
> less than 10 days, then the period may be extended to the subsequent
> regularly scheduled meeting). The AC will decide how to utilize the
> proposal and announce the decision to the PPML.
>
> In the meantime, the AC invites everyone to comment on the proposal on
> the PPML, particularly their support or non-support and the reasoning
> behind their opinion. Such participation contributes to a thorough
> vetting and provides important guidance to the AC in their deliberations.
>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>
> Mailing list subscription information can be found
> at:https://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/
>
> Regards,
>
> Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
> ## * ##
>
>
> Policy Proposal Name: IPv4 Example Shortages
>
> Proposal Originator:Martin J. Levy
>
> Proposal Version: 1.0
>
> Date: 20 May 2009
>
> Proposal type: new
>
> Policy term: permanent
>
> Policy statement:
>
> Add section 4.1.8 to the NRPM to state:
>
> 4.1.8 IPv4 Example Shortages
>
> Beginning on January 1, 2010, and on the first of each January and July
> thereafter, for a period of 7 calendar days, ARIN will not process
> requests from existing IPv4 holders for additional IPv4 space.
>
> Rationale:
>
> The IANA is expected to issue the last of the available IPv4 address
> space to RIRs some time in 2011.  RIRs are expected to run out
> approximately one year later.  These brief delays should be minimal (no)
> impact to organizations with existing space wanting more, but, can
> provide a brief but visible glimpse into the future that awaits after
> runout.
>
> Organizations which fail to plan for these delays will have the option
> of waiting for ARIN to issue their space, or, can avail themselves of
> the transfer policy contained in section 8.3 of the NRPM (resulting from
> policy proposals 2008-6 and 2009-1). The cost of these delays will be
> minimal compared to what will happen when space simply is no longer
> available.
>
> This policy has no impact on IPv6 assignments or allocations and has no
> impact on new organizations making their first IPv4 request.
>
> Timetable for implementation: 1 January 2010
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:21:34 -0500
> From: Chris Boyd <cboyd at gizmopartners.com>
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
> Message-ID: <F4BBE0C3-AACA-44AA-9D33-72ECDD418DC9 at gizmopartners.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Interesting idea, but I doubt that it will help much.
>
> Organizations that plan and participate in ARIN will know what's going
> on and just make their requests earlier or later as their needs dictate.
>
> Organizations that don't participate (or even read the easy to find
> documents) will just see this as another way that ARIN is being
> difficult to work with, obtuse, obscure, and probably several other
> things that should not be said on a public list.
>
> We're a service organization, and should provide those services even
> to groups that don't understand how things (should) work.
>
> --Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:12:47 -0700
> From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at ipinc.net>
> To: "'Member Services'" <info at arin.net>, <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
> Message-ID: <B822CFE064A44B39B8FCDC7608B532B8 at tedsdesk>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> We (my org) opposes this proposal.
>
> May I recommend the following,
>
> Instead of this policy, submit an operational suggestion to the
> ARIN suggestion box that would have ARIN staff supply educational
> information regarding what IPv4 runout is, when the current projection
> of runout will occur, etc. to every organization that submits an
> IPv4 allocation request.  This would be in addition to the normal
> processing of IPv4 allocation requests.
>
> There has been some discussion already about sending this info
> to all e-mail addresses in the whois database.
>
> Ted
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> > [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Member Services
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:06 AM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
> >
> > ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it
> > to the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with
> > Policy Development Process.
> >
> > This proposal is in the first stage of the Policy Development Process.
> > ARIN staff will perform the Clarity and Understanding step.
> > Staff does not evaluate the proposal at this time, their goal
> > is to make sure that they understand the proposal and believe
> > the community will as well.
> > Staff will report their results to the ARIN Advisory Council
> > (AC) within 10 days.
> >
> > The AC will review the proposal at their next regularly
> > scheduled meeting (if the period before the next regularly
> > scheduled meeting is less than 10 days, then the period may
> > be extended to the subsequent regularly scheduled meeting).
> > The AC will decide how to utilize the proposal and announce
> > the decision to the PPML.
> >
> > In the meantime, the AC invites everyone to comment on the
> > proposal on the PPML, particularly their support or
> > non-support and the reasoning behind their opinion. Such
> > participation contributes to a thorough vetting and provides
> > important guidance to the AC in their deliberations.
> >
> > The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
> > https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
> >
> > Mailing list subscription information can be found
> > at:https://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Member Services
> > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >
> >
> > ## * ##
> >
> >
> > Policy Proposal Name: IPv4 Example Shortages
> >
> > Proposal Originator:Martin J. Levy
> >
> > Proposal Version: 1.0
> >
> > Date: 20 May 2009
> >
> > Proposal type: new
> >
> > Policy term: permanent
> >
> > Policy statement:
> >
> > Add section 4.1.8 to the NRPM to state:
> >
> > 4.1.8 IPv4 Example Shortages
> >
> > Beginning on January 1, 2010, and on the first of each
> > January and July thereafter, for a period of 7 calendar days,
> > ARIN will not process requests from existing IPv4 holders for
> > additional IPv4 space.
> >
> > Rationale:
> >
> > The IANA is expected to issue the last of the available IPv4
> > address space to RIRs some time in 2011.  RIRs are expected
> > to run out approximately one year later.  These brief delays
> > should be minimal (no) impact to organizations with existing
> > space wanting more, but, can provide a brief but visible
> > glimpse into the future that awaits after runout.
> >
> > Organizations which fail to plan for these delays will have
> > the option of waiting for ARIN to issue their space, or, can
> > avail themselves of the transfer policy contained in section
> > 8.3 of the NRPM (resulting from policy proposals 2008-6 and
> > 2009-1). The cost of these delays will be minimal compared to
> > what will happen when space simply is no longer available.
> >
> > This policy has no impact on IPv6 assignments or allocations
> > and has no impact on new organizations making their first
> > IPv4 request.
> >
> > Timetable for implementation: 1 January 2010
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PPML
> > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to
> > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML at arin.net).
> > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
> > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml
> > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues.
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:19:54 -0500
> From: Chris Boyd <cboyd at gizmopartners.com>
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
> Message-ID: <808A2308-9458-4256-80ED-8D5EDA786C89 at gizmopartners.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
> On May 20, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> > Instead of this policy, submit an operational suggestion to the
> > ARIN suggestion box that would have ARIN staff supply educational
> > information regarding what IPv4 runout is, when the current projection
> > of runout will occur, etc. to every organization that submits an
> > IPv4 allocation request.  This would be in addition to the normal
> > processing of IPv4 allocation requests.
>
> Good idea.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:23:39 -0500
> From: "Alex H. Ryu" <alex.ryu at kdlinc.com>
> To: Chris Boyd <cboyd at gizmopartners.com>, "arin-ppml at arin.net"
>        <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
> Message-ID:
>        <278B5E4BCD5E654385A9F83C7CA6D51799B91709D9 at MAILBOX-01.qcommcorp.ad
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Yes, instead of this proposal, ARIN staff can add "warning for IPv4 address
> depletion" and "IPv6 info" into top of message for every IPv4 address
> approval notice.
> That doesn't require any policy writing, and it can be done within ARIN
> staff's ability.
>
> I don't think one-week freeze for IPv4 address processing do much for the
> purpose.
>
> Alex
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Chris Boyd
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:20 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
>
>
> On May 20, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> > Instead of this policy, submit an operational suggestion to the
> > ARIN suggestion box that would have ARIN staff supply educational
> > information regarding what IPv4 runout is, when the current projection
> > of runout will occur, etc. to every organization that submits an
> > IPv4 allocation request.  This would be in addition to the normal
> > processing of IPv4 allocation requests.
>
> Good idea.
> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:57:44 -0400
> From: Steve Bertrand <steve at ibctech.ca>
> To: "Alex H. Ryu" <alex.ryu at kdlinc.com>
> Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Example Shortages
> Message-ID: <4A1498F8.2060007 at ibctech.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Alex H. Ryu wrote:
> > Yes, instead of this proposal, ARIN staff can add "warning for IPv4
> address depletion" and "IPv6 info" into top of message for every IPv4
> address approval notice.
> > That doesn't require any policy writing, and it can be done within ARIN
> staff's ability.
>
> I oppose this policy.
>
> As far as the "warning", I have discussed this with numerous people
> off-list. There are two sides to that coin:
>
> - tell everyone via email or a warning with new allocation requests
> about the IPv4 runout
>
> - there are always going to be other pressing issues, so which ones do
> we pick-and-choose to warn people about
>
> Granted, this is quite the pickle of an issue, but to some, there may be
> larger issues that warrant warnings, and if ARIN decides to warn about
> runout and not another, someone is bound to get upset.
>
> With that said, I'm still going to post the request to the suggestion
> box (notification included in email upon 2008-7 ratification). Just
> because *I'm* not worried about it and am pretty much prepared, doesn't
> mean that other ops/businesses aren't...particularly new ones that may
> enter the playing field at or near the breaking point of the critical path.
>
> > I don't think one-week freeze for IPv4 address processing do much for the
> purpose.
>
> Of course it won't. If anything, it will cause a panic-type surge for
> requests just prior, or just after that week. Besides, I'm on holidays
> for those weeks ;)
>
> Steve
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