[arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2009-1: Transfer Policy -Revisedandforwarded to the Board

[George, Wes E [NTK]]

Ted,

If "my phone" = the aforementioned Moto Q on the Sprint network, I can say with 100% certainty that you are *not* doing exclusively IPv6 on your phone today. WinMo6 does support 6to4 (2002:), and since we're assigning externally routable IPv4 addresses to our customer devices, it *should* be able to reach IPv6 addresses via 6to4 even though the underlying network doesn't support IPv6. It likely even prefers IPv6 addresses when they're available, but there is not a standard IPv6 address (2001: or 2600:) being assigned (yet), and certainly no IPv6-speaking device on Sprint's network that could seamlessly translate between IPv6 and IPv4, especially for things like SSH.
I *wish* we were that far along already and that it was working that well.

Wes George

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm at ipinc.net]
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:11 PM
To: George, Wes E [NTK]; 'William Herrin'; 'Martin Hannigan'
Cc: 'arin ppml'
Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2009-1: Transfer Policy -Revisedandforwarded to the Board

 > To your second point, this isn't really about widgets sitting
> in a warehouse. It's the phone already in your hand. I heard
> word that we had been asking vendors for IPv6 at least as a
> roadmap item in in mobile devices for probably 2 years, but
> not every vendor was able to necessarily deliver, and the
> ones that did may have had varying degrees of success in a
> complete and functional IPv6 implementation.

My Sprint Motorola Q that's a few years old is IPv6

> The expectation
> is that attrition of old devices will partially solve this
> problem by creating an installed base that does support IPv6
> and (hopefully) needs an IPv4 address less often if at all.
> But, depending on how often devices roll over, that may not
> reduce the IPv4-using population enough either. Even then,
> that only puts this particular application on a par with the
> rest of the PC-using population: IPv6 is supported, but is
> only useful if we ensure that either a) every possible
> destination our users might go to is IPv6-capable or b) that
> there is some sort of intermediate device that allows an
> IPv6-only device to reach IPv4-only websites.

I believe that is how Sprint does it with my phone.

> I fully expect that there will be classes of devices that can
> be IPv6-only either because they only need to reach IPv6
> content or because the content that they reach can be proxied
> through an IPv6-to-IPv4 NAT/ALG, but not all devices will
> fall into that category.

On my phone I have a web browser, e-mail client, SSH client,
FTP client, RSS reader.  What else do I need?  My phone does
NOT have an IPv4 number on it, this I know from digging into it.

Ted



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