[arin-ppml] efficient utilization != needs basis
mcr at sandelman.ca
Wed Dec 23 10:59:08 EST 2009
>>>>> "David" == David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> writes:
David> However, there are other IP technologies coming that may or
David> may not be connected to the Internet and will possibly form
David> other internets. These internets will probably have other
David> challenges and possibly form other address hierarchies
David> independent of the Internet as we know it today. But, they
David> will almost assuredly need globally unique addresses too.
>> +1 (And ULA does not cut it for me)
David> Please note I am not saying they are not routable, they are
David> most assuredly intended to be routed within an Autonomous
David> System or even within a small set of Autonomous Systems.
David> But, that they are not intended to be routed across the
David> entire hierarchically routed global Internet. In other
David> words, by default the normal expected behavior for a network
David> operator is to not route these across an Autonomous System
David> boundary without special arrangements.
I agree with what you said. When I said "not routable", I mean what you
David> So, a question I have for you and something I'm not 100%
David> decided on would ULA-Central or ULA-Global be an acceptable
I was a supporter of ULA-Central, before, I thought that there was
another proposal from Paul Vixie. I can't find it right now, so just so
that everyone knows what is being talked about:
I was never clear if ULA-Central would include a whois database and
proper delegation of reverse DNS.
>> Proposal 103 gives out globally unique (but not routable) /48s to
>> anyone that asks, and that is enough to get these other networks
>> off the ground to the point where one can understand just how
>> much space you really do need.
David> While I agree this would be possible with PP#103, I believe
David> it is possible to provide these addresses without such a
David> massive change to IPv6 policy structure.
I would welcome such a proposal, but until I see it, I'm not prepared to
give up on 103.
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