[arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2008-3: Community Networks IPv6 Assignment - Last Call

[Milton L Mueller]

Please do not restrict this to "UN recognized NGOs." Only a handful of the world's NGO have the time or inclination to be recognized by the UN; many engaged in political speech would be knocked down by hostile govts if they sought recognition. --MM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Martin Hannigan
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:46 PM
> To: David Farmer
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2008-3: Community Networks IPv6
> Assignment - Last Call
> 
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, David Farmer<farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> > On 28 Aug 2009 Martin Hannigan wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Member Services<info at arin.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> [ clip ]
> >
> > [clipped more]
> >
> >> > 2.8 Community Network
> >> > A community network is any network organized and operated by a
> volunteer
> >> > group operating as or under the fiscal support of a non-profit
> organization or university
> >> > for the purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity to the
> residents of their local service
> >> > area.
> >>
> >>
> >> The problematic language for me is "as or under". How do you operate
> >> "under" the fiscal support of a non profit organization? Aren't
> >> Universities non-profits? Diving clubs? Cub Scouts? What constitutes
> >> operating "under" the fiscal support of a non-profit or university? It
> >> looks like this proposal simply grabbed on to hot-button issues to
> >> justify it's creation along with a few loopholes. I'm fairly certain
> >> that while the abuse of this one may be limited, it will be abused.
> >
> > Using one of the examples you provided;
> >
> 
> 
> [ snip ]
> 
> 
> >
> > Substitute "Community Network" for "Diving Club" and you have the intent
> of
> > the phrase "as or under the fiscal support of a non-profit organization
> or
> > university".  Would "as or under the fiscal management and support of a
> > non-profit organization or university" be better?  Do you have a better
> > suggestion on how to phrase this?
> 
> One way that this proposal could have been improved would have been to
> specify that accredited educational institutions and UN recognized
> NGO's may allocate v6 address space to groups that they deem deserving
> as defined by their internal processes after they themselves qualify
> under the existing criteria. That may have addressed the staff
> discretion comment, it certainly addresses the weak use cases and it
> eliminates the [possibly hundreds of] thousands of others who this
> proposal was not intended to benefit.
> 
> I will leave this in your capable and adventurous hands.
> 
> Best,
> 
> -M<
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