[arin-ppml] 2008-3

[RudOlph Daniel]

Ref: Lee RobertsYou are actually correct, must be too long a day...we would
*not* want to exclude larger rural populations.. So my 1000 instead of 2500
is inappropriate..Thank you for the correction.

Rudi Daniel


> Dear List
> I would also prefer to see a clear criteria instead of the word
> "discretion"...as suggested by ARIN staff. The Caribbean region I would
> suggest may well fall into the 25 now and 50 in a year. Also bearing in
> mind
> that the network is entirely staffed by volunteers and could form the basis
> of a development model for native v6 too.
>
> In addition, using the US Census bureau's definition of rural and urban may
> be a little high for the Caribbean region if set to 2500. Would 1000 not be
> more appropriate for the north Atlantic sector and the Caribbean? I am
> currently checking to see if we have a local standard.
> Rudi Daniel
>
>
>
>
> >
> >  ARIN staff would prefer criteria over discretion. Instead of
> > discretion, the policy could give clear criteria for requests from rural
> > regions, the Caribbean and North Atlantic Sector. For example, 50 users
> > now and 100 in a year (or 25/50, 10/20, etc).
> >
> >  The policy would add the term ?rural? to the NRPM. We suggest putting
> > ?(population less than 2,500)? after the word ?rural regions?. The US
> > Census Bureau definition:  ?All persons living in [urban areas] and in
> > places (cities, towns, villages, etc.) with a population of 2,500
> > or more outside of [urban areas] are considered the urban population.
> > All others are considered rural.?
> >
> >  B. ARIN General Counsel
> >
> >  Counsel sees no material legal or litigation issues related to this
> > policy.
> >
> >
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> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:36:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Lea Roberts <lea.roberts at stanford.edu>
> To: RudOlph Daniel <rudi.daniel at gmail.com>
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2008-3
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> dear Rudi -
>
> thank you for your comment(s)
>
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, RudOlph Daniel wrote:
>
> > Dear List
> > I would also prefer to see a clear criteria instead of the word
> > "discretion"...as suggested by ARIN staff. The Caribbean region I would
> > suggest may well fall into the 25 now and 50 in a year. Also bearing in
> mind
> > that the network is entirely staffed by volunteers and could form the
> basis
> > of a development model for native v6 too.
>
> unfortunately this staff comment came too late in the process for moving
> 2008-3 forward to last call.  my personal feeling is that specific number
> criteria for lower population areas may not really belong in policy, i.e.
> in the NRPM.  rather I believe the purpose of this policy language is to
> allow ARIN to further define these criteria in operational procedures,
> which should certainly be publicly stated and available to the ASCP
> suggestion process.
>
> if you still feel there should be more specific criteria in the NRPM, it
> would certainly be possible for you (or anyone) to submit another policy
> proposal to add to the definition if 2008-3 does make it into the NRPM.
>
> > In addition, using the US Census bureau's definition of rural and urban
> may
> > be a little high for the Caribbean region if set to 2500. Would 1000 not
> be
> > more appropriate for the north Atlantic sector and the Caribbean? I am
> > currently checking to see if we have a local standard.
>
> I believe the intent of the policy language which was added in response to
> the staff comment is only to apply the "less than 2500" number to define
> rural regions outside of the Carribean and North Altantic sector.  the
> basic intent of this remains simply to make sure that the "100 to start,
> 200 within one year" numbers are not necessarily applied to applicants
> from areas where such numbers would be unrealistic.
>
> Lea Roberts
> ARIN AC, shepherd for 2008-3
>
> > >
> > >  ARIN staff would prefer criteria over discretion. Instead of
> > > discretion, the policy could give clear criteria for requests from
> rural
> > > regions, the Caribbean and North Atlantic Sector. For example, 50 users
> > > now and 100 in a year (or 25/50, 10/20, etc).
> > >
> > >  The policy would add the term ?rural? to the NRPM. We suggest putting
> > > ?(population less than 2,500)? after the word ?rural regions?. The US
> > > Census Bureau definition:  ?All persons living in [urban areas] and in
> > > places (cities, towns, villages, etc.) with a population of 2,500
> > > or more outside of [urban areas] are considered the urban population.
> > > All others are considered rural.?
> > >
> > >  B. ARIN General Counsel
> > >
> ?> >  Counsel sees no material legal or litigation issues related to this
> > > policy.
> > >
>
>
>
>
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