Ref: Lee Roberts<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; "><div>You are actually correct, must be too long a day...we would <b>not</b> want to exclude larger rural populations.. So my 1000 instead of 2500 is inappropriate..Thank you for the correction.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Rudi Daniel</div></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Dear List<br>
I would also prefer to see a clear criteria instead of the word<br>
"discretion"...as suggested by ARIN staff. The Caribbean region I would<br>
suggest may well fall into the 25 now and 50 in a year. Also bearing in mind<br>
that the network is entirely staffed by volunteers and could form the basis<br>
of a development model for native v6 too.<br>
<br>
In addition, using the US Census bureau's definition of rural and urban may<br>
be a little high for the Caribbean region if set to 2500. Would 1000 not be<br>
more appropriate for the north Atlantic sector and the Caribbean? I am<br>
currently checking to see if we have a local standard.<br>
Rudi Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> ARIN staff would prefer criteria over discretion. Instead of<br>
> discretion, the policy could give clear criteria for requests from rural<br>
> regions, the Caribbean and North Atlantic Sector. For example, 50 users<br>
> now and 100 in a year (or 25/50, 10/20, etc).<br>
><br>
> The policy would add the term ?rural? to the NRPM. We suggest putting<br>
> ?(population less than 2,500)? after the word ?rural regions?. The US<br>
> Census Bureau definition: ?All persons living in [urban areas] and in<br>
> places (cities, towns, villages, etc.) with a population of 2,500<br>
> or more outside of [urban areas] are considered the urban population.<br>
> All others are considered rural.?<br>
><br>
> B. ARIN General Counsel<br>
><br>
> Counsel sees no material legal or litigation issues related to this<br>
> policy.<br>
><br>
><br>
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From: Lea Roberts <<a href="mailto:lea.roberts@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lea.roberts@stanford.edu</a>><br>
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dear Rudi -<br>
<br>
thank you for your comment(s)<br>
<br>
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, RudOlph Daniel wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear List<br>
> I would also prefer to see a clear criteria instead of the word<br>
> "discretion"...as suggested by ARIN staff. The Caribbean region I would<br>
> suggest may well fall into the 25 now and 50 in a year. Also bearing in mind<br>
> that the network is entirely staffed by volunteers and could form the basis<br>
> of a development model for native v6 too.<br>
<br>
unfortunately this staff comment came too late in the process for moving<br>
2008-3 forward to last call. my personal feeling is that specific number<br>
criteria for lower population areas may not really belong in policy, i.e.<br>
in the NRPM. rather I believe the purpose of this policy language is to<br>
allow ARIN to further define these criteria in operational procedures,<br>
which should certainly be publicly stated and available to the ASCP<br>
suggestion process.<br>
<br>
if you still feel there should be more specific criteria in the NRPM, it<br>
would certainly be possible for you (or anyone) to submit another policy<br>
proposal to add to the definition if 2008-3 does make it into the NRPM.<br>
<br>
> In addition, using the US Census bureau's definition of rural and urban may<br>
> be a little high for the Caribbean region if set to 2500. Would 1000 not be<br>
> more appropriate for the north Atlantic sector and the Caribbean? I am<br>
> currently checking to see if we have a local standard.<br>
<br>
I believe the intent of the policy language which was added in response to<br>
the staff comment is only to apply the "less than 2500" number to define<br>
rural regions outside of the Carribean and North Altantic sector. the<br>
basic intent of this remains simply to make sure that the "100 to start,<br>
200 within one year" numbers are not necessarily applied to applicants<br>
from areas where such numbers would be unrealistic.<br>
<br>
Lea Roberts<br>
ARIN AC, shepherd for 2008-3<br>
<br>
> ><br>
> > ARIN staff would prefer criteria over discretion. Instead of<br>
> > discretion, the policy could give clear criteria for requests from rural<br>
> > regions, the Caribbean and North Atlantic Sector. For example, 50 users<br>
> > now and 100 in a year (or 25/50, 10/20, etc).<br>
> ><br>
> > The policy would add the term ?rural? to the NRPM. We suggest putting<br>
> > ?(population less than 2,500)? after the word ?rural regions?. The US<br>
> > Census Bureau definition: ?All persons living in [urban areas] and in<br>
> > places (cities, towns, villages, etc.) with a population of 2,500<br>
> > or more outside of [urban areas] are considered the urban population.<br>
> > All others are considered rural.?<br>
> ><br>
> > B. ARIN General Counsel<br>
> ><br>
?> > Counsel sees no material legal or litigation issues related to this<br>
> > policy.<br>
> ><br>
<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Rudi Daniel<br>Independent Consultants<br>e Business Implementation<br><br><br>
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