[arin-ppml] Effect of ARIN's Letters

[Joe Miller]

I don't think it's realistic to expect to run V6 only webservers, nor is 
it realistic for large or small ISPs to go V6 only.  We are all going to 
be running v4 and v6 in parallel for quite some time.  What we need to 
do is get V6 and V4 talking with each other, which would make it easy to 
turn new customers up on V6 only, and leave existing customers on V4, 
for now.  The cost savings and ease of transition would be orders of 
magnitude better with this model.

--joe

Tony Valenti wrote:
> What is interesting about the Slashdot post is that they said "there 
> appears to be no business case for IPV6".  The reason I find this 
> interesting is that 4 years ago I met with the engineering team of one 
> of our datacenters and I was asking them a lot of questions about us 
> wanting to use IPV6.  During the course of the conversation their lead 
> engineer said "Unfortunately there is no business case to use IPV6.  
> It does not matter that IPV4 is in the process of running out, there 
> will not be a business case to move to it until IPV4 has completely 
> run out."
>
> I personally would love for us to be able to provision new equipment 
> on IPV6, but the fact remains, as a small-time web hosting service 
> provider, if I put websites on an IPV6 address, according to Network 
> World ( 
> http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/279477/ipv6_fails_reach_5_percent_internet 
> ), 95% of the internet would not be able to talk to our gear, and of 
> course, we'd go out of business if we told customers "Don't worry 
> about your website and email being down - the most tech savy 5% of the 
> internet can still email you".
>
> I'm still convinced that in order for IPV6 to be successful, the ISPs 
> like ComCast, Verizon, COX, and Qwest have to make the first move and 
> say "We're going IPV6 _ONLY_".  Once those numbers have flipped and 
> 95% of "outgoing" internet is on IPV6, then I won't be scared about IPV6.
>
> Tony V.
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> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM, John Schnizlein <schnizlein at isoc.org 
> <mailto:schnizlein at isoc.org>> wrote:
>
>     Unfortunately, this article repeats the distorted headline from the
>     NetworkWorld (NW) article about "no business case" when the ISOC
>     survey actually found customer demand for IPv6 as a strong reason to
>     deploy it.
>
>     The NW does include this:
>     "However, survey respondents said customer demand for IPv6 is on the
>     rise and that they are planning or deploying IPv6 because they feel it
>     is the next major development in the evolution of the Internet."
>
>     John
>
>     On 2009Apr30, at 6:10 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>
>     >
>     > ARIN's letters are getting some attention:
>     >
>     > http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/30/2051235
>     >
>     > --
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