[arin-ppml] Does this apply to Transfers too?

[Kevin Kargel]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Dan.Thorson at seagate.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:55 AM
> To: jcurran at istaff.org
> Cc: ARIN PPML
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Does this apply to Transfers too?
> 
> John Curran <jcurran at istaff.org> wrote on 04/21/2009 10:31:56 AM:
> 
> > On Apr 21, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Dan.Thorson at seagate.com wrote:
> > > Huh?  You think the CEO of any large company would actually be
> > > involved in an IP addr request or transfer?
> >
> > If the organization wants to receive an allocation of an increasingly
> > scarce global resource, they'll need to make some officer available to
> > state that the application is accurate.  While this may be difficult
> > in larger organizations, the importance of insuring accurate need-based
> > applications is paramount.
> 
> I guess it all comes down to how we define "officer."  Reading through
> https://www.arin.net/resources/agreements/officer_attest.html I'm not sure
> I would know who ARIN would deem an acceptable "officer" of my company.
> Please understand that executives won't sign anything unless they
> understand it (under the guise of SOX)... and I would be hard-pressed to
> find an executive of most any large corporation who would be able "to
> attest to the validity of the information provided to ARIN." (I suppose
> the
> CEO of an ISP might be cluefull about IP allocations, but no others.)
> 
> You say difficult... I say impossible.
> 
> So do we forge a signature?  No.
> So do we pretend that a manager who understands the request is an
> "officer"?  No.
> Rock --> us <-- Hard-place
> 
> danT

What it will boil down to is that some executive will call the NetAdmin in
to his office look him in the eye and say "Are you absolutely darned sure
this is accurate" and the NetAdmin will say "Yes, I wouldn't have written it
down if it weren't." and the (COO or some such) will sign the affidavit
based on the word of the NetAdmin who the COO trusts.  

One of the basics of good business is that the top guys don't know
everything, but they rely on people who do. 
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