[arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity

[Kevin Kargel]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm at ipinc.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:27 PM
> To: Kevin Kargel; ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> > [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Kargel
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:13 PM
> > To: ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm at ipinc.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:09 PM
> > > To: 'Jo Rhett'
> > > Cc: Kevin Kargel; ppml at arin.net
> > > Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to 
> IPv4 Scarcity
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jo Rhett [mailto:jrhett at svcolo.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:57 PM
> > > > To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> > > > Cc: 'Kevin Kargel'; ppml at arin.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to
> > IPv4 Scarcity
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > > > > And I'd be happy to allow you to keep the space and pay the 
> > > > > $1,000,000.00 USD fine every year. ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Show me where in the RSA it gives ARIN the right to fine me.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > The proposal from Chris was to institute fines, a fine would be a 
> > > modification of the NPRM which you are subject to.
> > > 
> > > Ted
> > > 
> > > 
> > Hmm..  How many of you out there would be willing to sign a 
> document 
> > with a provider that allowed them to charge you unlimited monies at 
> > their discretion?  How do you fit that in to your operating budget?
> > 
> 
> Oh, you mean like the agreement I have with my water/natural 
> gas/ electric/cable/satellite/cell phone/etc/etc/etc/etc  company? ;-)

Sorta, but on those your costs are limited by your consumption.  Your
utility companies don't assess fines if you don't reaffirm your address on a
regular basis.  Even my cel company doesn't assess fines if I don't answer
their calls or respond to their voicemails.

> 
> The One Million Dollars figure was to illustrate the fallacy 
> of claiming that fines are irrelevant, as well as a joke that 
> you probably would have missed unless you saw the movie Austin
> Powers.    There's only 1 kind of fine that is irrelevant and
> that is a fine that is set too low.
> 
> Presumably, anyone setting up a fine schedule would be smart 
> enough to understand this and set the fines accordingly.  I 
> suppose I could have just said this, but where's the fun in that?
> 
> Understand of course that I don't support the proposal AT ALL 
> but I am not going to resist pointing out logical fallacies 
> in arguments against it - that DOES NOT mean I'm defending it!
> 
> Ted
> 
>

I understand and appreciate your devil's advocacy..   

I am really warming up to the WHOIS!bogon idea..  The problem is that it
would effectively be reclamation, and I haven't worked out the angles on
that yet..  Maybe a choice of whoises..  One (WHOIS && !bogon) and one
(WHOIS | stale) {please excuse my bad regexp} and the community would be
free to utilize their preference according to their needs at the moment..

How would we best incorporate this into routing?
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