[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-4 - Staff Assessment

cja@daydream.com packetgrrl at gmail.com
Thu Oct 9 18:19:25 EDT 2008


Scott this proposal came via the staff as a request from the folks of the
Caribbean region.  ARIN does have a definition that they're working from for
this region.  I feel fairly certain that the ARIN staff knows the ARIN
service area. I am not sure why this is such an issue.  The staff doesn't
seem to have an issue with it.  We did this exact same thing for Africa and
that seemed to work out just fine.

----Cathy

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Scott Leibrand <sleibrand at internap.com>wrote:

> Didn't this whole thread start from a staff assessment of which countries
> and territories would be included?  If that definition is accurate and
> reflects what we want from the policy, then it doesn't seem that any
> further changes are necessary...
>
> -Scott
>
> David Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 01:34:28PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> >> So I don't believe population density has anything to do with the
> >> problem, and I would not support taking the definition in a direction
> >> that uses population density as a metric.
> >
> > I agree that population density isn't the relevant point, but I don't
> > think it's as simple as geography either.  If it is, what about
> > something like Catalina Island off of LA?  That's clearly not in scope
> > for this proposal.
> >
> > I think the challenges in the Caribbean stem from a combination of
> > geographic isolation *and* separate political (and regulatory)
> > environments.
> >
> > That said, the proposal is a bit odd geographically.  It doesn't
> > actually contain a definition of who is (and isn't) part of that
> > region.  I assume Bermuda is included, even though it is not notably
> > close the Caribbean.  Politically, Bermuda has much in common with St.
> > Pierre and Miquelon, although the populations are of different scale.
> > I couldn't find a definition of "Caribbean region" in a quick search of
> > the ARIN website either, so this proposal is a bit ambiguous.  Does an
> > ISP in the Florida Keys qualify under this policy?  The intent is
> > clearly to not allow that.
> >
> > I support the intent of this policy.  I'd prefer to see a policy that
> > either listed the relevant countries and territories (directly or be
> > reference to some other document within ARIN), or simply said non-US
> > and non-Canada portions of the ARIN region.
> >
> > -David
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