[ppml] Markets, pricing, transparency, 2008-2 / 8.3.9

Tom Vest tvest at pch.net
Mon Mar 17 12:45:55 EDT 2008

I believe that the requirements for which successive address  
delegation regimes -- the RIRs included, but also each of their  
successors -- were established, and were supported by the community  
over time, include more than just the simple/blind distribution of IP  
addresses. I believe that the community actually had the *unique*  
*historically unprecedented* opportunity to exercise judgment over  
such matters *only* because they fulfilled those other requirements  

Since I cannot see how this suggestion would permit continued  
delivery on any of the other non-optional requirements, I believe it  
would lead either to the end of the community itself, and/or the  
erosion and, ultimately, irretrievable loss the community's  
historically unprecedented privilege of industry self-governance.

Therefore I strongly recommend that the community reject this  
suggestion and get on with more realistic, sustainable alternatives.


On Mar 17, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Cliff Bedore wrote:

> At the risk of repeating myself, I think 8.3.9 should be deleted in  
> its
> entirety.  All ARIN needs to do in the process is allow 3rd parties to
> transfer IP addresses directly from one party to another without being
> returned to ARIN first.  The numbers must be properly registered to  
> the
> transferor and the transferee must justify the need.  Other than  
> that, ARIN
> should have nothing to do with the dealings of the two parties.   
> They can
> trade money, resort properties or pork futures and it's nobody's  
> business what
> the transaction is.
> In a prior message, I commented on other changes I think need to be  
> made to
> 2008-2 but they mostly deal with the idea of ARIN having as little  
> to do with
> negotiations between the 2(or more) parties and only certify the  
> validity of
> the transfer.
> Remember that this policy will only take effect when ARIN is likely  
> not to be
> able to meet some requirements for addresses.  Why would someone  
> pay money for
> something they can get for free from ARIN.  If ARIN doesn't have  
> it, the
> seekers of addresses should be able to get the addresses from any  
> legitimate
> provider and there should be no need to make any details of the  
> transaction
> public.
> As an aside, I also agree that the SEC discussion has been noted,  
> the AC and
> BoT have indicated they will look at it in further detail if 2008-2  
> proceeds.
> Cliff
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