[arin-ppml] simple question about money
tvest at pch.net
Wed Jun 11 09:10:46 EDT 2008
On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:46 AM, bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
>> Randy since the RIRs were established, tens of thousands of new
>> operationally independent ISPS have been established.
>> Granted, lots have since been acquired and merged into yet larger
>> -- some of which were/are pre-Internet incumbents, some of which
>> incumbents of our very own -- but that's not something that's
>> by address policy one way or another (except maybe to delay what
>> have happened anyway as a result of market power, increasing returns
>> to scale, etc.).
>> So, if you believe that address policy itself has been a barrier to
>> entry, how many address resource recipients *should* there be? How
>> many are missing? How much *more* decentralized should our industry
>> today relative to all of the others?
> put on your academic hat and play the decentralization game...
> go grab the skitter graph::
> and -remove- paths through the top 5 ASNs.
> Will your Internet experience be affected? If so, how and why?
> Can you replicate the mesh w/ massive peering on a local scale?
> One thing that I beleive you (and others) are conflating is
> access to address space and entries in some mythical "global
> routing table". Just because some small player in Los Angeles
> gets a /28 for their needs (and have agreements w/ their peers
> to carry routes for that /28), is no reason Telia to be forced
> to carry that discreate /28.
> Your use of IP space does -NOT- automatically equate to a
> slot in my routing table, either as a discreate entry or an
You're point is well taken, esp. since it's roughly the same point I
was trying to make about allocation policies being able to do *nothing
more* than establish a norm of open access -- or open access to a
critical resource which is necessary but not by itself sufficient to
engage in independent Internet production. To repeat for the sake of
clarity: "Necessary, but not sufficient" -- but "necessary" is still
I don't know anyone who's making the mistake you're describing.
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