[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-6

[Kevin Kargel]

> From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy at psg.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:42 AM
> To: Kevin Kargel
> Cc: Leo Bicknell; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-6
> 
> > I have often wondered about this "black market" myself..  everyone talks
> > about it, but in 15+ years of working in Internet I have never been
> > approached and offered IP addresses for sale.  I have never seen anyone
> > offer them, and searching even on newsgroups and other forums I have not
> > seen offers of network for money.  I have seen netblocks hijacked, but
> not
> > illicitly sold.  I believe it has happened, but I do not think the
> frequency
> > of it happening is quite the problem it is touted to be.
> 
> head in sand and you expect to see things?  well, to have it rubbed in
> your nose, see
> http://rosie.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-
> 57/presentations/uploads/Tuesday/Address%20Policy%202/upl/van_Mook-2007-
> 08_v3.fx3k.pps
> 
> randy

I already stipulated that it happens..  I can't imagine that there is much
in this world that 'never' happens..  I just wonder whether it happens with
enough frequency to be significant .

I would like to quote from an earlier post you made..  it seems you speak
out of whichever side of your face when it is handy at the moment..  note
the last sentence in:

"> From: Randy Bush [mailto:*****]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-6: Emergency TransferPolicy
> for IPv4 Addresses - Last Call
> Arin does not necessarily need to control routing, but they could 
> cooperate with organizations (like cymru) who do.

luckily for the internet, crymru is not a vigilante gang.  if they were,
they would quickly be ignored.

> Also, I refuse to recognize the actions of criminals as an unopposable 
> force.  That is just ethically unacceptable to me.

hint: this is business, not ethics, illegal, ...  impugning those with whom
you do not agree does not further discourse.

randy" 
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