[ppml] Legacy /24s

Sat Sep 1 08:48:28 EDT 2007

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of
> Lee Dilkie
> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 6:37 AM
> To: 'ARIN Address Policy'
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Legacy /24s
> 
> The list might as well see my reply back...
> 
> Hey Mack,
> 
> I agree with you. I think I even proposed a very minor fee as well ($5
> is reasonable considering that all a legacy holder gets is an entry in
> a
> DB).
> 

I'd even be willing to make that $10/year with the ability to purchase
multiple years at one time.

> I proposed something similar a few months ago, well, I "argued" that a
> number of the legacy holders are interested in ipv6 and perhaps should
> be given PI space to aid in general adoption. The argument being that
> these folks were early adopters of the original network and created the
> demand that we have today. We definitely need something like this for
> ipv6, something beyond just being a network infrastructure replacement
> or it'll be a very slow adoption rate.

Agreed.

> 
> Anyway, your "proposal" is spot on, for me anyway. I'm currently
> playing
> with ipv6 (I am a s/w programmer) and I have two ipv6 networks via
> tunnel brokers but I would like to have a small bit (/48) of PI space.
> The tunnels are okay for connectivity but they have high latency
> (>200ms) and unsuitable for a number of things (I'm a VoIP
> programmer...
> having a chat with 200ms+ is not very pleasant). My ISP has no IPv6 yet
> but they've not seen any demand. I think if I, a current business
> customer they are routing for, asks to route my IPv6 PI block, it might
> make them think harder about their own deployment. (faced with losing
> existing business, if I should move my network to another ISP that
> offers v6).
> 
> Are you going to write this up as a formal proposal?

I'm interested and would be willing to help or do the writing with some
suggestions from both of you.

> 
> -lee
> 
> 
> 
> J. R. Westmoreland wrote:
> > Let's try this again and send it to the whole list this time.
> > Sorry, Lee, for causing you to get a double copy.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> > J. R. Westmoreland
> > Custom Computers & Consulting
> > Email: jr at jrw.org
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: J. R. Westmoreland [mailto:jr at jrw.org]
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:48 AM
> >> To: 'Lee Dilkie'
> >> Subject: RE: [ppml] Legacy /24s
> >>
> >> Mack,
> >>
> >> I, sinceI fall into your category, being a very small consulting
> >> company, would support your proposal whole heartedly.
> >>
> >> Maybe I'll go find the form, and using some of your good wording,
> see
> >> about making a proposal. I figure that it wouldn't start much more
> fuss
> >> than there already is. <grin>
> >>
> >> J. R.
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------
> >> J. R. Westmoreland
> >> Email: jr at jrw.org
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf
> >>>
> >> Of
> >>
> >>> Lee Dilkie
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:11 PM
> >>> To: mack
> >>> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [ppml] Legacy /24s
> >>>
> >>> What?
> >>>
> >>> no restrictive RSA?
> >>>
> >>> no outrageous $100/yr scalper fee?
> >>>
> >>> no justification of usage?
> >>>
> >>> You're daft man!
> >>>
> >>> A common sense proposal like this has no place on ppml.
> >>>
> >>> {pardon my sarcasm, been here too long I guess. But being a /24
> >>>
> >> legacy
> >>
> >>> holder in the same shoes as probably many, this would fit the bill
> >>>
> >> but
> >>
> >>> I
> >>> wouldn't hold my breath}
> >>>
> >>> -lee
> >>>
> >>> mack wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I don't have the time to write it but I would support a
> >>>> proposal that gives legacy /24 holders a permanent IPv4 fee
> waiver,
> >>>> an efficient usage waiver so that they don't have to worry about
> >>>>
> >>> reclamation,
> >>>
> >>>> and allows assignment of an appropriate sized block of IPv6 if
> they
> >>>> start paying a fee after some specified date (ie. Jan 1, 2010) or
> >>>>
> >>> whenever
> >>>
> >>>> the regular IPv6 waiver expires if it is extended beyond this
> date.
> >>>> With the only contingency that the space be actively used in the
> >>>>
> >> DFZ
> >>
> >>>> or showing that the space is in use in a manner that cannot be
> >>>>
> >>> readily
> >>>
> >>>> replaced by 1918 space.
> >>>>
> >>>> I personally feel that the /24 space needs to be handled
> >>>>
> >> differently
> >>
> >>> than
> >>>
> >>>> the /16 and /8 space.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Because there are more of these than the others numerically.
> >>>> 2) Because there is no significant reclamation benefit if they are
> >>>>
> >>> being used.
> >>>
> >>>> 3) Most of these are individuals or small companies that don't
> have
> >>>>
> >>> significant resources.
> >>>
> >>>> The use contingency allows for private use in organizations that
> >>>>
> >> may
> >>
> >>> find
> >>>
> >>>> it difficult to convert to 1918 space.
> >>>>
> >>>> This would be neutral in overall effect.  It cost them nothing
> >>>>
> >> unless
> >>
> >>> they want IPv6 space.
> >>>
> >>>> It will encourage adoption of IPv6 by these users.  It will move a
> >>>>
> >>> significant number of
> >>>
> >>>> legacy blocks under a policy umbrella.
> >>>>
> >>>> This obviously would be for the 2008 timeframe.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> LR Mack McBride
> >>>> Network Administrator
> >>>> Alpha Red, Inc.
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