[ppml] SPAM-WARN:RE: [arin-announce] Legacy RSA

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Thomas - Mathbox [mailto:mike at mathbox.com]
>Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:27 PM
>To: 'Ted Mittelstaedt'; 'Kevin Kargel'; ppml at arin.net
>Subject: RE: SPAM-WARN:RE: [ppml] [arin-announce] Legacy RSA
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm at ipinc.net]
>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:11 PM
>> To: Michael Thomas - Mathbox; 'Kevin Kargel'; ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: SPAM-WARN:RE: [ppml] [arin-announce] Legacy RSA
>>
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael Thomas - Mathbox [mailto:mike at mathbox.com]
>> >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:30 AM
>> >To: 'Ted Mittelstaedt'; 'Kevin Kargel'; ppml at arin.net
>> >Subject: RE: [ppml] [arin-announce] Legacy RSA
>> >
>> >
>> >First let me state that I am not a legacy holder.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>> >> Behalf Of Ted Mittelstaedt
>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:20 PM
>> >> To: Kevin Kargel; ppml at arin.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [ppml] [arin-announce] Legacy RSA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On
>> >> Behalf Of
>> >> >Kevin Kargel
>> >> >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:26 AM
>> >> >To: ppml at arin.net
>> >> >Subject: Re: [ppml] [arin-announce] Legacy RSA
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > That's a pretty good deal.  I wish I could get it in my
>> >> contract that
>> >> >my rights would never be lessened even if policy changed.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Kevin, don't forget ARIN defines legacy holders as IPv4 holders.
>> >> IPve ONLY.  In ARIN's definitions, there is no such thing as an
>> >> "IPv6 Legacy Holder"
>> >>
>> >> I'll be happy to write you a contract that states unequiocably that
>> >> you have permanent, perpetual rights in how to configure any one
>> >> of a box of Latticenet cards I happened to see in a junk store
>> >> a couple years ago. ;-)  Or maybe Arcnet cards?  ;-) ;-)
>> >>
>> >> My only concern with the "Legacy RSA" is that somewhere
>> >> within it, there
>> >> is a statement that the term "Legacy holder" means "IPv4
>> only holder"
>> >> That way there is no chance in the future that some court could
>> >> misinterpret the contract and use it to extend over IPv6
>> assignments.
>> >>
>> >> This really comes down to your position on moving to IPv6.  The
>> >> official word is that IPv4 runout is a fact, and that IPv6 will
>> >> replace it.  There are, unfortunately, a lot of people out there
>> >> (like Dean) who apparently think that they can manipulate
>> the system
>> >> into making the Internet some sort of permanent shared IPv4/IPv6
>> >> environment - if that were to happen, the assignments of the Legacy
>> >> holders would become a permanent, unpaid, drag on the Internet.
>> >
>> >You do not consider the free 900,000+ /24 held by Xtra Large
>> >members unpaid,
>> >drag on the Internet?
>> >
>>
>> NO, of course not.  The reason why is that hardly anybody now
>> is advertising
>> IPv6.
>
>Sorry, I should have articulated that more clearly. As a group, the Xtra
>Large
>Members hold 900,000+ IPV4 /24 blocks that are registered with ARIN, where
>said registration  of those 900,000+ IPV4 /24 blocks was free of charge. Do
>you not consider that to be an unpaid, drag on the Internet?
>

I already explained why not.  Maybe someday.  Not today.  And to clarify,
the legacy holders IPv4's are not an unpaid drag on the Internet at the
current time.  Once more, maybe someday.  Not today.

Ted