[ppml] SPAM-WARN:RE: [arin-announce] Legacy RSA

[Michael Thomas - Mathbox]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm at ipinc.net] 
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: Michael Thomas - Mathbox; 'Kevin Kargel'; ppml at arin.net
> Subject: SPAM-WARN:RE: [ppml] [arin-announce] Legacy RSA
> 
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael Thomas - Mathbox [mailto:mike at mathbox.com]
> >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:30 AM
> >To: 'Ted Mittelstaedt'; 'Kevin Kargel'; ppml at arin.net
> >Subject: RE: [ppml] [arin-announce] Legacy RSA
> >
> >
> >First let me state that I am not a legacy holder.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> >> Behalf Of Ted Mittelstaedt
> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:20 PM
> >> To: Kevin Kargel; ppml at arin.net
> >> Subject: Re: [ppml] [arin-announce] Legacy RSA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On
> >> Behalf Of
> >> >Kevin Kargel
> >> >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:26 AM
> >> >To: ppml at arin.net
> >> >Subject: Re: [ppml] [arin-announce] Legacy RSA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > That's a pretty good deal.  I wish I could get it in my
> >> contract that
> >> >my rights would never be lessened even if policy changed.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Kevin, don't forget ARIN defines legacy holders as IPv4 holders.
> >> IPve ONLY.  In ARIN's definitions, there is no such thing as an
> >> "IPv6 Legacy Holder"
> >>
> >> I'll be happy to write you a contract that states unequiocably that
> >> you have permanent, perpetual rights in how to configure any one
> >> of a box of Latticenet cards I happened to see in a junk store
> >> a couple years ago. ;-)  Or maybe Arcnet cards?  ;-) ;-)
> >>
> >> My only concern with the "Legacy RSA" is that somewhere
> >> within it, there
> >> is a statement that the term "Legacy holder" means "IPv4 
> only holder"
> >> That way there is no chance in the future that some court could
> >> misinterpret the contract and use it to extend over IPv6 
> assignments.
> >>
> >> This really comes down to your position on moving to IPv6.  The
> >> official word is that IPv4 runout is a fact, and that IPv6 will
> >> replace it.  There are, unfortunately, a lot of people out there
> >> (like Dean) who apparently think that they can manipulate 
> the system
> >> into making the Internet some sort of permanent shared IPv4/IPv6
> >> environment - if that were to happen, the assignments of the Legacy
> >> holders would become a permanent, unpaid, drag on the Internet.
> >
> >You do not consider the free 900,000+ /24 held by Xtra Large
> >members unpaid,
> >drag on the Internet?
> >
> 
> NO, of course not.  The reason why is that hardly anybody now 
> is advertising
> IPv6.

Sorry, I should have articulated that more clearly. As a group, the Xtra
Large
Members hold 900,000+ IPV4 /24 blocks that are registered with ARIN, where
said registration  of those 900,000+ IPV4 /24 blocks was free of charge. Do
you not consider that to be an unpaid, drag on the Internet?

> 
> But when most people out there advertisng IPv6 then I would assume
> that people who are paying for IPv4 assignments will have an incentive
> to return them and stop advertising them and stop getting 
> billed for them.
> Everyone, that is - except these legacy IPv4 holders who are 
> STILL going
> to be faced with "I either got to IPv6 and start paying a lot of money
> or I keep using my free IPv4 and try to convince the rest of the world
> to continue supporting them."  If the legacy holders don't do anything
> they will greatly increase the amount of advertisements and 
> cause a lot
> of people to delay switchover, that is the drag I'm talking about.
> 
> Same goes for these "free 900,000+ /24 held by Xtra Large members"
> your referring to - although we are having a fee discussion on them
> as I'm sure you may have seen the prior posts on.
> 
> ALthough it is a little early to get into this because IPv4 runout
> hasn't happened, you do realize of course that once IPv4 runout does
> happen, we will have to put into policy, incentives to get people
> to stop using it and to switch to IPv6.  Fee adjustments are the most
> obvious.
> 
> Ted

Michael Thomas
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