[ppml] getting converts to V6

[Owen DeLong]

>
> "You" refers to producers of IP address space, in this case ARIN and
> ARIN's members, the ISPs. I'm not included in that list as I am not an
> ARIN member and as I've been made painfully aware, not entitled to
> making policy decisions. If I were an ARIN member, I would have  
> used the
> term "we".
>
This makes little sense.  First, ARIN and the other RIRs do not produce
IP address space, they register its usage in an effort to preserve some
level of assurance of uniqueness.  Second, anyone is entitled to
a role in the policy decision process.  You do not have to be an ARIN
member in order to do so.  In fact, many of ARIN's members are NOT
ISPs.  Further, I have written policy proposals at times when I was
not an ARIN member and not participating as part of my work for
any ARIN member.  The policy process is very clearly open to anyone
who has an interest in participating.

> "They" refers to the consumers of IP address space, the end customers
> for the most part. It's those folks who need to be convinced to  
> make the
> move to IPv6.
>
For the most part, the end-users do not care what protocol they use.
All they care about is being able to click a link and get the content
they want.

As such, the first step will have to be convincing the content providers
to provide interesting content on IPv6.  When the majority of existing
content is available on IPv6, then, new content that is not available
on IPv4 might actually produce a migration at the end-user level.

> If all the dire predictions are true, the producers will be out of  
> a job
> unless they can convince the consumers to switch to the new address
> space. Not unlike Microsoft's efforts to convince us that a new OS  
> is a
> "must have" every few years.... As others have said (and my mechanical
> engineering prof first told me), you can't push a rope. You need to  
> make
> it a compelling decision. Going about this like a typical government
> organization is not the way to reach your goals. Throwing up  
> artificial
> costs is hardly a good start...

This simply isn't true.  First, the registration of existing space will
still be a necessary function, even if there isn't free space.  ARIN
gets paid annually by the existing holders of address space.  Unlike
Micr0$0ft who doesn't get paid unless people upgrade, ARIN gets
paid regardless.

>> Cost of assigning a number includes the time to evaluate the
>> request, time to record it, and maintenance of the recording
>> system, not to mention infrastructure around it.
>>
> No offense. But the cost of assigning me a drivers license, including
> all the testing and whatnot, is *far* less than ARIN's fees.  
> Someone is
> making a boatload of money here. Or wasting a boatload. Either way, my
> original statement stands.
>
Actually, the cost of assigning you a drivers license far exceed what
you pay for it at DMV.  It's subsidized through gasoline taxes, and,
if you were to pay the true cost of maintaining a drivers license it
would far exceed the annual fees charged by ARIN to end users.

Comparing a non-profit corporations operation to that of a subsidized
government entity that happens to charge a fee that does not completely
cover the cost of the operation in question is hardly an accurate or
meaningful comparison.

Owen

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