[ppml] getting converts to V6

[Lee Dilkie]

Jeroen Massar wrote:
> Lee Dilkie wrote:
> ... skipped part about policy...
>> "They" refers to the consumers of IP address space, the end customers
>> for the most part. It's those folks who need to be convinced to make the
>> move to IPv6.
>>     
>
> Why do they need to be convinced? It is the ISP that needs to provide
> the service to the enduser, as such the end user should ask for this
> service from their ISP. Then their ISP can provide it to the enduser.
>   
huh? See my post about pushing a rope. The ISP cannot simply force end
users to take IPv6, there are hardly any working applications that work
on that network at present. It's not about "providing the service", you
need to create demand first. (Can you imagine starting up a TV broadcast
station before the TV itself was invented?)
> When you as an enduser run your own (Internet connected) network then
> you are in effect ISP.
>
> The enduser pays the ISP, as such vote with your money. If you don't
> like what they are doing, tell them, if they keep on doing that, change
> ISP, if there is no other ISP and you really think you have a valid
> point, set up your own ISP. After all, it is a free market (at least
> they claim it is ;)
>   
And you live on what planet? Even in countries that do not have
government control over telecommunications, the entry costs make this an
impractical solution.
>> Not unlike Microsoft's efforts to convince us that a new OS is a
>> "must have" every few years....
>>     
>
> What does M$ have to do with ARIN? Except that they are a long way ahead
> already and providing several transition mechanisms to IPv6.
>   
That was an example of an industry (and a single player in that
industry) that does understand that demand must be created. Other
industries, like automotive, music, film, home furnishings and the
fashion industry all understand this thing about "creating demand". Pet
rocks and the chia pet are good examples of folks that had initial
success and failed to create a follow-on demand.

And all this fits how, you ask? The original email talked of trying to
get folks converted to IPv6. I pointed out that, contrary to some other
opinions, it's not the ISPs that need converting (though they certainly
do, but they will anyway to follow the money) but rather the industry
(the "internet") needs to create demand to move to IPv6 with some
as-yet-discovered killer IPv6 application that will make the switch a
compelling one for the end users. Sometimes the killer app is real,
sometimes it's a marketing exercise (as Microsoft and others are
sometimes guilty of). Either way, the solution to moving folks is the
same, create demand. And for that, you need early adopters to dive in,
get religious and do their thing. But that argument already received
it's share of "you must show *need*" cries from those that don't see
things the way I do. Oh well.

BTW. When I see folks refer to Microsoft as M$, I generally assume that
they are trolling. Either that or they have such an irrational hatred
that it affects their judgment. Either way, I tend not to respond as
it's seldom productive. Of course that would be on lower brow lists than
this one. We're all professionals here.

-lee