[ppml] [address-policy-wg] Re: article about IPv6 vs firewalls vs NAT in arstechnica (seen on slashdot)

[Heather Schiller]

On Tue, 15 May 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote:

> Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet wrote:
> [..]
>> I simply take it as living proof that almost nobody really cares about seeing
>> some (50..)70K+ routes more or less in their boxes, these days.
>
> See it is a business trick: when there are say 300k routes in the
> routing tables, you are forcing your competition to also carry that
> amount of routes in their tables, that means your competition will also

I'm going to assume by "300k routes in the routing tables" that you 
are referring to the 'global internet routing table'.  Well remember there 
are 2 routing tables, the 'global internet routing table' and a providers 
internal routing table..  You aggregate where you can and don't send 
internal routes to peers, only PI and routes that get leaked for 
multihoming/traffic engineering reasons.

The larger the provider and the more fragmented their address space, the 
larger their internal routing table.  So by the time the 'global
internet routing table' reaches 300k routes, your largest transit
providers will be well past 300k.

> have to buy fast new cool routers with a lot of memory. This makes

Does this go for folks who think PI is great too?  I'd be happy to 
deggregate to everyone, and get this over with right now.. but something 
tells me that wouldn't last more than a few hours.

I'm not interested in making the competition have to buy hardware too -- 
unless it pushes the vendors along to build new hardware.  I just want a 
vendor to make something that can support all the routes and not have to 
replace it by the time we get it deployed.

> various vendors happy, but it also takes care of emptying your
> competitions pocket books. When they spend all their cash on routers,
> they won't be able to invest in other things or need to up their prices,
> resulting in those customers coming to you etc etc etc. Economics 101.
> Has not much to do with "The Internet" any more.
>
> The road to monopoly has many routes ;)
>
> Greets,
> Jeroen
>
>


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