[ppml] getting converts to V6

[James Jun]

Lee,

Actually, with current standing ARIN policy, IPv6 fees are waived (though
I'm not sure if they are going to start charging next year).  You still have
to justify on basis of /48 PI or /32 PI dependent upon your needs and
network routing topology, but for the moment to my knowledge there are no
fees -- as long as you are either ARIN member or IPv4 subscriber which
automatically holds membership.

Regards,
James


> 
> Jeroen Massar wrote:
> > Cliff Bedore wrote:
> > [..]
> >
> >> Right now I have a no fee grandfathered Class C and it will probably do
> >> me until I retire.
> >>
> >
> > 'No fee'? You don't pay for electricity, hardware, transit and a
> > plethora of other things that are actually required to use those
> > numbers? Can you please explain where that is, as there are some large
> > companies who are really interested in that kind of free stuff.
> >
> I think he means "free" as in "no ridiculous fees to ARIN".
> >
> > Address space should be distributed based on NEED. When you can JUSTIFY
> > your need for a /32 or a /48, you have actual users who are using it.
> > When you have users, you also have somebody/thing that pays the small
> > fee to the various registries for having the privilege of your own chunk
> > of address space.
> >
> > Greets,
> >  Jeroen
> >
> >
> Interesting.. That's the attitude of the many data carriers back in the
> late 70s and early 80's. I worked on X.25 networks (and ISDN too),
> designing and building switching gear. Contrast that with the early
> internet where there were a lot of "free" access points ("free" means I
> paid for my access costs but nothing else).
> 
> I remember those days very well because *we* were the datacomm experts
> and how dare those long haired hippies, with their tcp and ip, try and
> muscle in our *own* rightful business... Well, here we are. There's
> hardly a legacy data network left. The practice of attracting networking
> experts with "free" access to the new networks did work very well indeed.
> 
> Cliff is right. You want to attract those early adopters. I also am one,
> with my own grandfathered Class C (okay, /24) and I'm in the same boat.
> I *am* playing with IPv6 but via one of those tunnel brokers but it's
> hardly serious. Giving me a v6 PI space for free would certainly make me
> want to find a provider that could route v6 to me natively. Then all
> sorts of interesting things might happen.
> 
> I can also see you throw the "justify" and "need" words about. The plain
> truth is this.. You "need" to move people over to IPv6. They are not
> going to go willingly unless you can offset the cost. The "need" is
> *yours*, not theirs. The cost should also be *yours*. (and lets be
> honest, there is no real cost to assigning a number).
> 
> -lee
>