[ppml] getting converts to V6

[Lee Dilkie]

Jeroen Massar wrote:
> Cliff Bedore wrote:
> [..]
>   
>> Right now I have a no fee grandfathered Class C and it will probably do
>> me until I retire.
>>     
>
> 'No fee'? You don't pay for electricity, hardware, transit and a
> plethora of other things that are actually required to use those
> numbers? Can you please explain where that is, as there are some large
> companies who are really interested in that kind of free stuff.
>   
I think he means "free" as in "no ridiculous fees to ARIN".
>   
> Address space should be distributed based on NEED. When you can JUSTIFY
> your need for a /32 or a /48, you have actual users who are using it.
> When you have users, you also have somebody/thing that pays the small
> fee to the various registries for having the privilege of your own chunk
> of address space.
>
> Greets,
>  Jeroen
>
>   
Interesting.. That's the attitude of the many data carriers back in the
late 70s and early 80's. I worked on X.25 networks (and ISDN too),
designing and building switching gear. Contrast that with the early
internet where there were a lot of "free" access points ("free" means I
paid for my access costs but nothing else).

I remember those days very well because *we* were the datacomm experts
and how dare those long haired hippies, with their tcp and ip, try and
muscle in our *own* rightful business... Well, here we are. There's
hardly a legacy data network left. The practice of attracting networking
experts with "free" access to the new networks did work very well indeed.

Cliff is right. You want to attract those early adopters. I also am one,
with my own grandfathered Class C (okay, /24) and I'm in the same boat.
I *am* playing with IPv6 but via one of those tunnel brokers but it's
hardly serious. Giving me a v6 PI space for free would certainly make me
want to find a provider that could route v6 to me natively. Then all
sorts of interesting things might happen.

I can also see you throw the "justify" and "need" words about. The plain
truth is this.. You "need" to move people over to IPv6. They are not
going to go willingly unless you can offset the cost. The "need" is
*yours*, not theirs. The cost should also be *yours*. (and lets be
honest, there is no real cost to assigning a number).

-lee