[ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Soft Landing
David Conrad
drc at virtualized.org
Fri May 11 16:02:51 EDT 2007
Hi,
On May 11, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> I don't see much of a carrot.
Right. I don't see the RIRs have much in the way of carrots to
provide. I suppose ARIN could start paying people to deploy IPv6, by
providing subsidies to fund purchase of IPv6 aware equipment, etc.,
but I suspect that might run into a bit of resistance from current
Beancounters...
> The phases are arbitrary from management's
> perspective since they depend on IANA's actions and what the
> various RIRs
> are doing.
Yes. The arbitrariness can't really be avoided if you're going to
have a phased transition.
> I'd much, much prefer that specific dates are put on the phases
> (such as 1 Jan of each year starting in 2009, or something based on
> current
> projections) because _that_ is something management can figure in when
> planning their budgets.
The difficulty here is that it depends on consumption being something
you can reasonably project. Geoff's graphs notwithstanding, this is
exceptionally difficult, particularly when socio-economic (read: land
rush) factors come into play. There is a bit of Heisenberg here: as
people become more aware of the limited nature of the resource,
they're going to start hoarding which increases scarcity which causes
more people to notice.
I suppose both could be used, the threshold and a date, with the
first being crossed being the trigger. Not sure if that would
address your concern however.
> I like the idea of progressively tighter requirements as we get
> closer to
> exhaustion, and particularly that we are going to tell people what
> they'll
> be long in advance of them happening instead of being based on
> policy action
> at each meeting, which can't be predicted.
Right.
> There's also no mention of whether this is intended to be
> retroactive, i.e.
> interface with potential reclamation activities.
Not sure exactly what you mean.
If a threshold is crossed in the "other" direction, that is, say DoD
decides they don't want IPv4 anymore and return all of their space,
then a case can be made that the restrictions should be relaxed.
However, my feeling is that the restrictions should NOT be relaxed,
even if a bunch of address space is freed up since I believe we
really don't want to have 2 Internets.
> I'm also against third-party audits;
> if we get to the point current review procedures are insufficient
> due to
> widespread fraud, we need to debate such a controversial change
> separately.
This was a late addition to the policy proposal at the suggestion of
others who I ran a draft by. The third-party audits are addressing
the fact that it is impossible to externally and objectively verify
certain aspects of conformance to policy. I'd be happy to include
some other mechanism.
> Also, as David W. mentioned, this doesn't seem to have any
> consideration for
> direct assignments, only allocations. If that's the intent, which
> I'm not
> sure I agree with, that should be called out. If not, the same
> requirements
> don't seem to make sense.
As mentioned in my response to David W., it was intentional. I can
either expand on the proposal or add a second proposal.
> Last, this seems to be a global policy, and I understand it's
> expedient to
> submit the same proposal to each RIR, but we need someone to revise
> this to
> show how it'll fit into the NRPM. I'm currently on the fence,
> given my
> issues above, so I am not volunteering for that task.
If there is a consensus that this isn't a horrible idea, I was
planning on submitting it to the other RIRs.
Rgds,
-drc
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