[ppml] Policy Proposal 2007-6 - Abandoned

[G. Waleed Kavalec]

>  Spammers tend to get their address space black listed rather quickly.  
> Often times they will start a new company, get new address space, get 
> it black listed with in a month or so, and then start the process over 
> with a new company and new addresses.  This could burn through a lot 
> of resources quickly (both IPv4 PI /24s and ASNs).


Is this still true?  

Haven't most spammers moved on to the use of botnets?




-----Original Message-----
From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On Behalf Of
Jason Schiller
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:48 PM
To: John Paul Morrison
Cc: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal 2007-6 - Abandoned


On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, John Paul Morrison wrote:

> I don't know how this would lead to a run on IPv4 space, because I have 
> had to justify several /24's for
> customers - allocated out of Carriers/Telco IP address space to be used 
> for BGP multi-homing.
> It's a hassle, you are tied to one carrier's address space, and you
> have more dependence on the carrier's BGP policies than if you had your 
> own /24.
> I would prefer to have a direct allocation, but whether I get a /24 from 
> a carrier or ARIN, doesn't
> really change the address consumption.

They way I read the policy, and the way I understand how most ISP do PA
assignemtns, is if a customer is multi-homed even with a very limited
number of hosts they will qualify for a /24.  In otherwords, a single
homed static customer with 10 hosts could be assigned a /28.  The same
customer who is multi-homed would be assigned a /24.  This consumes more
space.

Also there was a concern about spammers.  Spammers tend to get their
address space black listed rather quickly.  Often times they will start a
new company, get new address space, get it black listed with in a month or
so, and then start the process over with a new company and new addresses.  
This could burn through a lot of resources quickly (both IPv4 PI /24s and
ASNs).

Furthmore reclaiming the resources will be problematic as it will be
listed in ACLs and RBLs.  This will be akin to the same difficulty people
have when they are allocated / assigned space that was previously bogon
space, and hence, no one will want pre-spammer IP space due to the
significant clean-up work involved.