[ppml] Definition of "Existing Known ISP"

[Michael Hertrick]

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I like what I've been reading, too.  I like the idea of using LIR in
lieu of ISP.

Thanks,
~Mike.

Edward Lewis wrote:
> Having been hyperactive this past week on the mailing list I waited
> to jump in on this" - hoping to read a post with the same sentiment
> that I have.
>
> And I have.
>
> At 18:19 -0400 4/30/07, Matt Pounsett wrote:
>
>> I agree with much of what you're saying here and in the rest of your
>> email, but I don't completely agree with where you end up.  All ASPs,
>> web hosting companies, and colo providers are not ISPs in the sense
>> that the term is used in the NRPM.  I think it's important to look at
>> the intent of the policy in order to find a better definition for
>> "ISP" or to find a different word to use.
>
> Metoo.  We aren't trying to define what an ISP is, we are trying to
> distinguish between organizations in the context of the policies of
> ARIN.  So, the arguments that we all are ISPs are (arguably) right,
> but what we really need is to distinguish between organizations
> getting resources for themselves and organizations getting resources
> for their "customers."
>
>> model and should be classed as ISPs.  I think Steven Sprunk is on the
>> right track, that we should perhaps be looking at using a new term
>> (such as LIR) for these non-end-user organizations.  That would go a
>> long way to helping clear up confusion.
>
> At first I disagreed with the use of the term "LIR," but what Matt
> adds on here makes me think that that might be the right thing to do.
> Historically ARIN has used ISP and "the other" RIRs use LIR and I
> always thought that it was just a terminology thing.  But it is true
> - we aren't distinguishing between ISPs and ASPs, rather LIRs from
> end-users of the resources.
>

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