[ppml] Policy Proposal 2007-8: Transfer Policy Clarifications
marla.azinger at frontiercorp.com
Sun Apr 22 18:29:58 EDT 2007
Ed and All- I'm a little behind getting my response out, sorry. I think your concerns about wording should be looked at. Hopfully I'm not missing some postings to this that already resolved your concerns. If there are...just ignore this email. ;o)
I worked on some rewrites of the text you are concerned about. I thought it might be good to have some rewritten text suggestions put out to everyone so that if we decide we dont like how it is currrently written, we can already start looking at another way of saying "what we mean". So here are my suggestions to the parts that may need some rewriting.
1. Current proposal verbage:
"It should be understood that number resources are not "sold" under ARIN
administration. Rather, number resources are assigned to an organization
for its exclusive use for the purpose stated in the request, provided
the terms of the Registration Services Agreement continue to be met and
the stated purpose for the number resources remains the same. Number
resources are administered and assigned according to ARIN's published
Number Resources are managed as a finite resource and not as a commodity. Number resources are assigned or allocated to an organization for its exclusive use for the purpose stated in the request, provided the terms of the registration services agreement continue to be met and the stated purpose for the Number Resources remains the same. Number Resources are to be managed in accordance with ARIN's Published Policies.
2. Current proposal verbage:
"Number resources are issued, based on justified need, to organizations,
not to individuals representing those organizations. Thus, if a company
goes out of business, regardless of the reason, the point of contact
(POC) listed for the number resource does not have the authority to
sell, transfer, assign, or give the number resource to any other person
or organization. The POC must notify ARIN if a business fails so the
assigned number resources can be returned to the available pool of
number resources if a transfer is not requested and justified."
Under the circumstance of an organization closure where said organization has Number Resources from ARIN, said organization must notify ARIN to either return the Number Resources to ARIN or transfer the Number Resources in accordance with ARIN Policy (reference section 8.2 and 8.3).
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Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal 2007-8: Transfer Policy
At 12:15 -0500 3/2/07, Member Services wrote:
>Policy Proposal 2007-8: Transfer Policy Clarifications
>Author: Paul Andersen
>Proposal Version: 1.0
>It should be understood that number resources are not "sold" under ARIN
>administration. Rather, number resources are assigned to an organization
What I find a bit confusing is the difference between the thought
that ARIN "leases" resources versus the thought that a company might
"sell" resources from one to another.
(An off-shoot of this comes from the fee discussion in APNIC, where
resources whose registration is static see the per-year fees
decrease. This reflects the nature of the activity as that of
managing a registry and not as a "LAN-lord.")
>not to individuals representing those organizations. Thus, if a company
>goes out of business, regardless of the reason, the point of contact
>(POC) listed for the number resource does not have the authority to
>sell, transfer, assign, or give the number resource to any other person
>or organization. The POC must notify ARIN if a business fails so the
>assigned number resources can be returned to the available pool of
>number resources if a transfer is not requested and justified.
What exactly does "going out of business" mean? A company can be
absorbed by another through a purchase and the brand name tossed away
while still maintaining the need for the resources.
In a way I can see this saying the transfers can never happen,
meaning that if I buy someone's hosting service I may have to apply
for new addresses. Worse is the thought that I'd have to renumber if
I don't get the transfer of resources.
I'm asking an obtuse question because the text doesn't say which
POC(s) is/are involved. What if the POC is a role account that
transfers with the rest of a once independent company?
>8.2 Transfer Requirements
>ARIN will consider requests for the transfer of number resources only
>upon receipt of evidence that the new entity has acquired the assets
>which had, as of the date of the acquisition or proposed reorganization,
>justified the current entity's use of the number resource. Examples of
>assets that justify use of the number resource include, but are not
I pretty much agree with the intent of this proposal...it's the words
I am quibbling about in the previous section.
>Staff analysis and community comments have a problem with the
>inconsistent use of the terms "ASN" and "IP Address" in this section
>which leads to confusion on which resources can be transferred. The
>entire section now utilizes the term "number resources" to clarify what
>would appear to be the original intent.
I have come across people that find the ARIN on-web flow-chart
confusing because AS numbers are not included in the prose. And I
have been told that the prose comes from the policy. So I'll add a
data point saying that this is in need or updating.
Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468
Sarcasm doesn't scale.
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