[ppml] ARIN member in good standing?

[Peter Sherbin]

> You would bill the packet originator, not the destination?

Yes, the originator of the packet pays to a transport provider

>you would bill the peer network who sent the packet to you

Peers cut the settlement based on volumes of packets they exchange. A bit is a
single common cost driver on the internet. Any HW or network design starts with
calculating bit volumes. Same should be extended to the internet financials.

> How is your model better than what we have now?

As a provider I support the infrastracture carrying unpaid volumes while I am
challenged with capturing that revenue. We have what we have. I guess this is a
constant search for doing things the proper way.

> I don't understand whether you mean every organization should get a 
> provider-independent address block and a telecommunications license, or
> if you mean that only telcos should get PI address space, and everybody
> else must accept assignments from telcos.

Every taxpayer (entity or individual) within RIR area is entitled to a certain
amount of IP (IPv6) address space. I assume a telecommunication license is available
to anyone who wants it and meets certain criteria. Assignment of the address space
goes directly from RIR to a taxpayer.

> I'm not sure where you put large enterprise networks.  Distributed
> offices, multi-homed networks, multi-national presences...

The entity always carries the cost of the transport network wether its own or leased
from whichever provider.
 
> So only telcos would get IP addresses from ARIN? 

Not only telcos but all taxpayers (individuals and entities)

> In the U.S., would the regional licenser be the state PUC or the FCC?

Licensers at all levels in all countries within ARIN region would need to provide to
ARIN subscriber counts from their licensees.

> In your model, that agency would annually count the number of Internet users
(people, households, businesses, or hosts?) the telco has, multiply by some fee, and
tell ARIN how much to invoice. 

That is correct. Providers who routinely report on their Internet subscribers
(connection users) will provide those numbers to ARIN. The exact fee amount in a
particular country is up to the local top level licensee. In a case where two
individuals have invested in a wire connecting their PCs accross the street they
will not be a subject to ARIN fee as long as their private network has no access to
the Internet (that assumes that IP addresses per se are not a sellable commodity,
they are a common resourse).

> If ARIN reported the telco for non-payment, the agency would revoke their license
return the addresses to ARIN.

Non-paying telco would be a subject to the current ARIN regulation, e.g. revokation
of the address space assigned to it. Revokation of the license would help even
better.


Thanks,

Peter


--- "Howard, W. Lee" <Lee.Howard at stanleyassociates.com> wrote:

>  
>  Peter Sherbin >
> >
> > The Internet is an electronic version of a global postal 
> > service. As such it should
> > move to a proper financial model where each delivery is paid 
> > for according to its volume and destination.
> 
> That would be an exciting billing system!  Every packet would have to be
> logged with source address, destination address, and size.  Another
> table
> to link IP address to billing address.  You would bill the packet 
> originator, not the destination?  If the originator is not a customer, I
> 
> assume you would bill the peer network who sent the packet to you.  This
> implies some significant changes to many network peering relationships, 
> and you pretty quickly answer the question of which way payment goes.
> 
> You imply that the current model is improper, but I only see analogy to
> support that implication.  How is your model better than what we have
> now?
> 
> > Here is a proposed model:
> > PI addresses
> 
> I don't understand whether you mean every organization should get a 
> provider-independent address block and a telecommunications license, or
> if you mean that only telcos should get PI address space, and everybody
> else must accept assignments from telcos.
> 
> > RIR invoices every entity with telecommunications licence in 
> > the region a per sibscriber fee to cover admin expenses
> > Regional issuer of telecom licenses determines the fee amount 
> > as well as makes such
> > fee a condition of the license (don't mean to regulate the 
> > Internet but please share your comments)
> 
> I'm not sure where you put large enterprise networks.  Distributed
> offices,
> multi-homed networks, multi-national presences.  I don't know which
> telco
> would aggregate them.  Similar questions for cable companies, CLECs, 
> universities, and governments.
> 
> So only telcos would get IP addresses from ARIN?  In the U.S., would the
> 
> regional licenser be the state PUC or the FCC?  In your model, that
> agency 
> would annually count the number of Internet users (people, households, 
> businesses, or hosts?) the telco has, multiply by some fee, and tell
> ARIN 
> how much to invoice.  If ARIN reported the telco for non-payment, the 
> agency would revoke their license return the addresses to ARIN.
> 
> Can you flesh this out a little further?
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Peter Sherbin
> 



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