[ppml] Technical error was ( Regarding private residence... )

[heather skanks]

On 10/24/05, william(at)elan.net <william at elan.net> wrote:
>
>
> ......
>
> BTW - All these listings are typically of not much use for "SPAM hunters"
> as spammers are really not going to provide their real addresses for
> public database if they have a choice (and residential privacy policy
> gives this choice), nor is the spam coming from dsl lines is really
> from the users who actually ordered these lines (its all zombies).
> There is however certain value that can be obtained from this
> information for statistical purposes to determine grown rate of
> internet use in specific area.



I disagree, it's possible to have published real addresses -- Set aside the
garbage that comes from dsl/cable modem users - and look only at that which
comes from dedicated connections. With a few exceptions, most spammers don't
get dedicated space directly from the RIR (which would require info to be
public anyway - whether or not the info is good) For a variety of reasons,
it's too expensive, you can't get the blocks swapped and it will get RBL'd
quickly. So they go to their provider, and for suballocations to customers,
don't give them a choice, don't ask them what address and contact info they
want listed. List the info that they gave to turn up the circuit- which
usually turns out to be where their noc is or where the circuit terminates.
I agree that the info isn't of much use to spam hunters (tho it could be
useful to others) - with the exception that it gives you one more point to
find discrepencies or tie organizations together -- and arguably, that
doesn't require the info to be valid.

--heather

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 Michael.Dillon at btradianz.com wrote:
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> >> When registering residential customers, ARIN recommends the phrase
> >> "Private Residence" for the address. ISPs should provide the
> >> person's name, city, state, postal code, and country to complement the
> >> private residence designation.
> >
> > There is a technical error in this recommendation.
> > It assumes that by replacing the street name and
> > number with the term "Private Residence", that ARIN
> > is providing some privacy for residential customers.
> > This is simply not true.
> >
> > For example, go to this page:
> > http://www.westminster.ca/index.html
> > and enter the postal code "N2L 3A7" and then click
> > the circle labeled "lookup this address". You will
> > see that this postal code refers to odd addresses
> > on Central Streeet, Waterloo, Ontario in the range
> > 35-43. In other words, either 35, 37, 39, 41 or 43.
> >
> > What privacy is provided to a residential customer
> > when their home location is pinpointed to an accuracy
> > of within 5 possible houses? I believe that the US
> > full zipcode provides similar pinpoint accuracy.
> >
> > If there is no intent to enable people to knock
> > on someone's door, then there should be no address
> > at all in the ARIN whois database.
> >
> > To date, nobody has given any good reasons for why
> > end user contact information is in the ARIN whois
> > directory. The desire of SPAM hunters to shakedown
> > innocent people in the hunt for spammers, is not
> > a good reason.
> >
> > I support the requirement for network operators
> > of all sizes to be listed in the whois directory, but
> > non-technical end users who are not in charge of
> > operating any network, should not be in this directory.
> > The ARIN whois directory is not an Internet phonebook!
> >
> > Any addresses used by non-operator customers of an
> > ISP should be traced back to the ISP, not to the non-operator
> > customers.
> >
> > --Michael Dillon
> >
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