[ppml]How far is too far?

[william at elan.net]

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Dawn Martin wrote:

> Just wondering how far we intend on taking this? All assignments and
> all allocations coming directly from the RIR's? 

I doubt it would ever be substantial amount even if we allow everybody to 
get ips easily with no conditions because most companies just get ISP 
services and expect their isp to provide ip as part of the package.

Personally I think the deciding issue should be if organization is 
multi-homed (has asn and traffic independent of any particular isp), then 
it should be left up to organization to get ips from its ISP or from RIR
(and since its multihomed they already announce their ips as separate 
prefix, so independ assignment from RIR would not cause increase of 
routing table)

And the charge for ips directly from RIR (even micro-allocation) should be
substantial enough to make it seem easier to get ips from their ISP unless
their ISP is monopolistic or trying to charge very high fee for ips (as in 
countries or possibly smaller towns where competition is minimum and you 
do not have much choice who to use).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net]On Behalf Of Ron
> da Silva
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:30 AM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] My idea was a non-starter
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 02:04:38PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > I am hoping that we can achieve clear consensus at the meeting, although,
> > I think that will be difficult.
> 
> Better would be to determine that consensus here on the list and then
> simply confirm it at the meeting.  To summarize,  I believe we have
> thusfar seen some support AND opposition to 2002-3 and 2003-15 as-is.
> There appears to be some interest in changing either to include
> all of ARIN and both assignments and allocations.  I have yet to
> see any principal objection to moving assignments/allocations to /22
> under any permutation of 200x-315.  So, anyone care to argue AGAINST
> changing either assignments or allocations under ANY policy variation?
> Or, do we all support (or don't care to comment) such a change under
> one of these new or modified policies?
> 
> fyi...not that this is an issue, but folks may be interested, other RIRs
> have micro assignments but not micro allocations:
> 
> http://www.arin.net/library/internet_info/rir_comp_matrix.html
> 
> -ron