[hm-staff] Re: [ppml] RIR shopping -- AND MORE

[Anne Lord]

Einer,

Just one clarification and one comment:

At 08:43 PM 3/3/2003 -0500, Einar Bohlin wrote:
>RIR shopping?  Check this out:
>
>The initial IP allocation policies for ARIN and APNIC both
>get you a /20 (see below for more info), but the
>requirements and what you have to do after you
>get the net are different.
>
>The fastest way to get your own IPs:
>ARIN - Be multihomed and using a /21
>APNIC - Be using a /22 (or need one today)
>
>Assuming the ISP wants to renumber into their
>own nets, what renumbering are they faced with?
>
>             best case                 typical worst case
>ARIN           /21                       /20 or more
>APNIC  zero renumbering needed               /22

This is not quite correct. There is a renumbering requirement. The policy 
states:

"To be eligible to obtain an initial allocation, an LIR must:

- have used a /22 from their upstream provider or demonstrate an immediate 
need for a
   /22;
- have complied with applicable policies in managing all address space 
previously
   allocated to it;
- demonstrate a detailed plan for use of a /21 within a year; and
- commit to renumber from previously deployed space into the new address 
space within
   one year"

details are in:
http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/add-manage-policy.html#9.3

The reason that the criteria are slightly less restrictive in the APNIC 
region is in recognition of regional development. ie. the Internet is much 
less mature as an industry in many economies in the region and their market 
base is just much slower in gathering momentum. This was deemed important 
by the community and the policies reflect this.

Hope this helps,

regards,

Anne
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Anne Lord, Manager, Policy Liaison               <anne at apnic.net>
Asia Pacific Network Information Centre       phone: +61 7 3858 3100
http://www.apnic.net                                        fax: +61 7 3858 
3199
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>Note that ARIN stipulates that the ISP needs to use the
>entire /20 in 3 months, APNIC only wants a /21 to be used
>within a year.
>
>If I were a new shopper with the ability to do so,
>I'd have to consider APNIC.
>
>IMHO ARIN's more strict policy is outdated; it
>applied to a time when registering IPs was fashionable.
>APNIC's policy is more reasonable.
>
>It would be great to be able to allocate IPs based
>on up to a year's utilization.  Recently a downstream got
>a /23, then a follow up /22 and now wants more; those routes
>add up.  Where is the harm if we'd initially allocated a larger
>range, corresponding to a longer timeframe of use.
>
>Regards,
>
>Einar Bohlin, IP Analyst
>IP Team - Ashburn Virginia - WorldCom
>Phone: 703 886-7362 (VNET 806-7362)
>email: einar.bohlin at wcom.com
>
>
>
>
>ARIN http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv4.html#ispinitial [/20]
>
>The efficient utilization of an entire previously allocated /20 from their 
>upstream ISP.
>
>[or]
>
>Multi-homed organizations that have efficiently utilized a /21 may be 
>allocated a /20. In order to receive an initial allocation from ARIN, 
>multi-homed organizations must:
>
>Provide detailed information showing that a /20 will be utilized within 
>three months.
>
>
>
>APNIC http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/add-manage-policy.html
>
>9.3 Criteria for initial allocation [/20]
>To be eligible to obtain an initial allocation, an LIR must:
>
>have used a /22 from their upstream provider or demonstrate an immediate 
>need for a /22;
>have complied with applicable policies in managing all address space 
>previously allocated to it;
>demonstrate a detailed plan for use of a /21 within a year; and
>commit to renumber from previously deployed space into the new address 
>space within one year.
>
>9.4 Criteria for subsequent allocations
>After the initial allocation to an LIR, all subsequent allocations will 
>depend on the following:
>
>the LIR's verified usage rate (which is the rate at which the LIR made 
>assignments and sub-allocations from relevant past allocations);
>their documented plans for address space; and
>their degree of compliance with APNIC policies with respect to relevant 
>past allocations.
>Based on these factors, APNIC and NIRs will allocate enough address space 
>to meet the LIR's estimated needs for a period up to one year. If APNIC or 
>the NIR make an allocation based on a period of less than one year, then 
>they must inform the LIR of the length of the period and the reasons for 
>selecting it.
>
>
>
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