[ppml] Leaders or followers (times 2)

[Bill Darte]

And furthermore,  the next paragraph of the policy states:

"Comments during this period will be collected by ARIN staff and included
with the proposal when it is presented to the Board of Trustees for their
consideration."

Those last call comments are not meant to, nor will they, delay forever the
process.  They are a prescribed aspect of the vetting of the policy
proposal.  The ARIN staff forwards the last comments along with the AC's
final proposal wording and its recommendation (for or against) to the BoT.

Then, the BoT makes its decision to either return it to the AC for more
analysis/consideration (and perhaps then to the open community) or to accept
the recommendation as was submitted.

Its not a perfect system but it is ARIN's system for making "consensus"
policy...not "100% agreement" policy.  

If the policy proposal process takes too long in the judgement of some, or
it is not inclusive enough, or too inclusive, or whatever the agrument
against the process be, that too is a policy which is available for
modification.  

To all those dissatisfied with the process.... please, make a proposal if
you think you objection scales to that extent... we will then give due, if
not overdue consideration to your proposal.

Bill Darte
ARIN Advisory Council 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Jimmerson [mailto:richardj at arin.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:43 AM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [ppml] Leaders or followers (times 2)
> 
> 
> Hello Michael,
> 
> > The ARIN policy process contains the following:
> > 
> >   The Advisory Council will consider the discussions and 
> >   judge the level of consensus in the community in order 
> >   to prepare a final proposal for consideration by the 
> >   ARIN Board of Trustees.
> > 
> > I take this to mean that the AC can write the proposal with any 
> > wording that they may choose, i.e. in "preparing" a final proposal, 
> > they don't have to just pass through wording from either 
> the meetings 
> > or the list.
> 
> It is possible the ARIN AC would judge the level of consensus 
> that resulted from a policy proposal discussion and leave the 
> original text as written by the author.  It is also possible 
> community discussion may yield cases where the ARIN AC would
> judge there is favorable consensus for a policy proposal with
> slight modifications to language.
> 
> In either case, the paragraph that follows the one you have cited 
> above requires that the final proposal be sent to the mailing list 
> for a "Last-Call for Comments".
> 
>   The final proposal shall be posted on the ARIN web site on 
>   a publicly accessible page, and a "Last-Call for Comments" 
>   will be announced on ARIN members and public policy mailing 
>   lists for a discussion period of no less than ten (10) regular 
>   working days. This period can be extended if sufficient 
>   comments are made that warrant further discussion and 
>   consideration.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Richard Jimmerson
> Director of Operations
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On 
> > Behalf Of Michael.Dillon at radianz.com
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:31 AM
> > To: ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: [ppml] Leaders or followers (times 2)
> > 
> > 
> > > Changing the wording just causes it to diverge from the 
> other RIR's 
> > > policy, which defeats the entire purpose.
> > 
> > Hmmm... so should ARIN only be following the lead of other 
> > RIRs or should 
> > ARIN try to set policy that is a good example for other RIRs 
> > to follow?
> > 
> > > The fact that a few people continue to have objections which were 
> > > raised and dealt with to the satisfaction of the 
> membership at the 
> > > meeting doesn't seem terribly pertinent to me.
> > 
> > The ARIN policy process contains the following:
> > 
> >     The Advisory Council will consider the discussions and 
> > judge the level 
> > 
> >     of consensus in the community in order to prepare a final 
> > proposal for 
> > 
> >     consideration by the ARIN Board of Trustees.
> > 
> > I take this to mean that the AC can write the proposal with 
> > any wording 
> > that they may choose, i.e. in "preparing" a final proposal, 
> > they don't 
> > have to just pass through wording from either the meetings or 
> > the list.
> > 
> > --Michael Dillon
> > 
>