[ppml] back to the IPv6 Policy questions

[John M. Brown]

People I've worked with have read the policies and determined
that they do not meet the requirements and since v6 is still
(in there mind) "early adopter" status, they don't feel the 
need or desire to fight the system.

Some have indicated that we could solve the 200 in 2 year 
issue by saying we will alloc to dialup users.  Technically
that seem viable, but I doubt its "spirit" of intent.  If
I'm wrong, then I'll be setting up my VISP dial service 
shortly and asking for V6 space only. :)

There are several factors around this issue.

Perceived and actual issues in qualifying for space.
How to use it / education and such.
Actual need for it, why should "we" add another layer of issues.
Backbone providers not ready to deploy.

As an end user, I've been unable to get space from
my transit providers, or even their transit providers.

In general there is a chicken-egg issue.  People that want
to do stuff with it can't.  So there isn't any cool stuff
to use it for....  Yes I'm generalizing.

john

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of Barbara Roseman
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:04 AM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: [ppml] back to the IPv6 Policy questions
> 
> 
> We seem to be drifting off topic into a discussion of IPv6's 
> actual merits. 
> Please take that discussion off-list, or to an appropriate v6 
> discussion forum.
> 
> As for the topic that started this off, is there any evidence 
> that the 
> current policy is discouraging the adoption of IPv6?
> 
> I'd ask John to state whether anyone he's working with has 
> actually had an 
> application for IPv6 addresses rejected, and I'd like to ask ARIN's 
> registration services if they find themselves rejecting 
> applications for 
> not meeting the proper criteria as ISPs as opposed to end-users.
> 
> If we need to do some education about how one qualifies for 
> v6 space, that 
> is one problem.  If we need to change language or substance of the v6 
> policy, that is a different problem. I'd like to get a 
> clearer picture of 
> which problem we're actually facing.
> 
> -Barb
> At 02:12 AM 1/9/2003 -0600, Mury wrote:
> 
> > > But the point is, you still have to syncronize the event of 
> > > switching routers and switching the DNS data, if you 
> don't have the 
> > > opportunity to overlap.
> >
> >I don't think I understand what you are saying.  We switch 
> routers and 
> >DNS data every day.  It's rarely a problem if you know ahead of time.
> >
> > > And if an ISP goes bankrupt without notice (yes, it 
> happens) and you 
> > > suddenly have to switch to another, how do you restore 
> your DNS IPs 
> > > when you can't get any verification because your GTLD A records 
> > > still point to the old ones?
> >
> >Of course ISPs go bankrupt.  They usually keep operating 
> however.  Even 
> >so, if they were to shut their doors completely it would be 
> awesome to 
> >be able to simply change a couple lines in a router and in a 
> DNS server 
> >than the total nightmare you can have with having to renumber with 
> >IPv4.
> >
> >Mury
>