[ppml] participating on PPML (was: Independent space from ARIN)

Andrew Dul andrew.dul at quark.net
Sat Apr 26 13:06:09 EDT 2003

In general, I also function in listen mode on this list, mostly because by
the time I get around to responding someone has already posted the same
basic thought.  

I'd also like to point out that some organizations use internal
list-exploders to redistribute the PPML list.  A company which I used to
work for used an exploder to distribute PPML to staff that are involved in
address allocations.  So the 4xx number could actually be even larger than

I also know of other people and organizations who do not participate in
this mailing list due to the restrictions that their employer places on
them regarding posting in a public forum.  While I know there are legal
reasons why these corporate policies get enacted, its really hard to
encourage participation when some people have legal restrictions.  

Reading through the PPML threads takes a lot of time to really try and
understand exactly what is going on.  I personally am not a fan of ditto
messages, but if you feel really strongly about something I would always
encourage someone to post a follow up.

One of the hardest things to do in the mailing-list community is to take
the banter that goes on and try and distill that down to concrete ideas.
There is often a lot of talk about ARIN does this wrong or this is
conflicting...  As a member of the AC I am looking to find concrete items
to focus on rather than hearsay.  

Andrew Dul

At 05:33 AM 4/25/03 -0400, Cutler, James R wrote:
>I am a member of the ppml and NANOG lists, among many others.  Over the
>years I have found two things:
>1.  If I wait to respond, there are at least two others who will essentially
>respond with my thoughts, often in better words than I can.  (The ppml list
>top twenty contains at least four such participants.)
>2.  Responding to the more outrageous and egregious messages usually results
>in ad hominum attacks, so I try to refrain from responding to those
>The net result is to be in "Listen Mode" for the most part.  Sometimes, I
>have found a new list, tried it, and found the noise level to be too high to
>spend any time there.  For NANOG and ARIN lists, I just tolerate the noise
>James R. Cutler,  EDS
>800 Tower Drive, Troy, MI 48098
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>james.cutler at eds.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bicknell at ufp.org] 
>Sent: 2003-04-24, Thursday 6:44 PM
>To: ARIN Policy
>Subject: Re: [ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN
>What would be interesting to know is is that silent majority silent because
>they are happy, silent because they are afraid to speak up, or silent
>because they simply don't know this list and/or the meetings exist?
>       Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440
>        PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/
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