[ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN

[Mury]

Ditto.

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 william at elan.net wrote:

>  I believe for ppml list its actually usefull to post ditto messages. I
> know for many other lists it is considered inappropriate to post message
> if somebody else already posted the same, but here we have policy issues
> and people in charge of ARIN determine support or otherwise for particular
> issue in part by looking at comments on this mail list. If you feel
> somebody posted something similar to your thoughts on this issue and you
> think this is important issue for you or for internet in general, you
> should probably say that you either agree or post something similar in
> your own words. I think people here will tolerate ditto messages
> especially when they are coming out of people who are not otherwise
> present on public meetings.
>
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Jeff Urmann wrote:
>
> > I don`t usually post ditto messages, but it somehow seems appropriate here.
> > I can`t type nearly as fast as William (<40 symbols/minute) so someone
> > usually responds long before me.  I am also mostly in "Listen Mode".  I fall
> > into both categories for limited postings, but I will add a third reason:
> >
> > 3.  I do not always write my thoughts in a clear and concise fashion,
> > therefore, I fear the grammar police.  I can say though that the grammar
> > police have been very constructive here on ppml.  Some very good spin
> > doctors here as well.  But I also do not want to waste other`s time.
> >
> > I am not an RIR member.  I subscribed to ppml as I have an interest in how
> > the global internet is shaped.  And certainly anything ARIN does can have
> > significant impact on the global internet.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cutler, James R [mailto:james.cutler at eds.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:33 AM
> > To: ARIN Policy
> > Subject: RE: [ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN
> >
> >
> > I am a member of the ppml and NANOG lists, among many others.  Over the
> > years I have found two things:
> >
> > 1.  If I wait to respond, there are at least two others who will essentially
> > respond with my thoughts, often in better words than I can.  (The ppml list
> > top twenty contains at least four such participants.)
> >
> > 2.  Responding to the more outrageous and egregious messages usually results
> > in ad hominum attacks, so I try to refrain from responding to those
> > messages.
> >
> > The net result is to be in "Listen Mode" for the most part.  Sometimes, I
> > have found a new list, tried it, and found the noise level to be too high to
> > spend any time there.  For NANOG and ARIN lists, I just tolerate the noise
> > bursts.
> >
> > -
> > James R. Cutler,  EDS
> > 800 Tower Drive, Troy, MI 48098
> > 1 248 265 7514
> > james.cutler at eds.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bicknell at ufp.org]
> > Sent: 2003-04-24, Thursday 6:44 PM
> > To: ARIN Policy
> > Subject: Re: [ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN
> >
> > <snip>
> > What would be interesting to know is is that silent majority silent because
> > they are happy, silent because they are afraid to speak up, or silent
> > because they simply don't know this list and/or the meetings exist?
> >
>