[ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Tue Apr 15 03:18:07 EDT 2003

Wow... Where'd you buy real estate without having to pay property
taxes?  I want some!!!

Seriously... The county clerk is paid from tax revenues.  On my property,
that's almost $5,000 per year, and I own a very small (<1200 sq ft.) house.

Further, property taxes vary with the "assessed value" of the property.
Last I checked, there's a whole other agency in the county dedicated to
determining how much to charge you... (County Assessors office).

Since, generally, larger parcels have larger value, yes, they do charge
based on the size of the parcel to a certain extent.

Sorry... Your analogy only serves to defend ARIN's current practice
if you analyze it completely.  Not that I completely disagree with
the position you were trying to put forward.  Just that I think your
analogy doesn't help your case.


--On Tuesday, April 15, 2003 0:22 -0500 Stephen Sprunk <stephen at sprunk.org> 

> Thus spake "Bill Woodcock" <woody at pch.net>
>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> > That's why RIRs lease addresses to you, not sell them -- they get
>> > to keep collecting money forever even if they do no additional work.
>> RIRs _allocate_ addresses, meaning that they provide the _service_ of
>> _registering uniqueness_.  You pay a _membership fee_ to support the
>> ongoing operation of the registry, and allow it to continue providing you
>> with the _service of uniqueness_ for your addresses.
>> You don't buy them, you don't lease them.  You buy the service of the
>> RIR's maintenance of a database which ensures unique allocations.
> When I buy real estate, I don't have to pay yearly fees to the county
> clerk to keep my title "unique", nor does the clerk charge me a different
> fee based on the size of the parcel.  They are solely concerned with the
> number of parcels I own and making sure nobody else claims them too.
> This is an accepted fee structure for a "service of uniqueness".
> If ARIN were truly a registry, they would charge by the prefix, not by the
> address, and said fees would only be incurred when a change was made.
> ARIN's fee structure clearly has far more in common with a landlord than
> with a title clerk. If it walks and talks like a duck, it's probably a
> duck.
> S
> Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
> CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
> K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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