[ppml] RIR's should have power to suspend Member's registration in specified circumstances

[John M. Brown]

how do you intend to have the RIR's tell me what I can
and can't accept in my routing table ?

How do they enforce telling me what I can and can't have
in my routing table?

What happens when the RIR makes a mistake and drops YAHOO.COM
for 28 hours ? Who is financially liable for that mistake?

define __large__ number  of addresses.

Who would then clean them out of the various RBL lists ?

Seems that if you don't like traffic coming from specific
addresses, an ACL on your side would be the best choice.

its an interesting idea, but the above issues need some
resolutions.

john brown
speaking for himself

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Allen Smith [mailto:easmith at beatrice.rutgers.edu] 
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:10 PM
> To: john at chagres.net
> Cc: chris at telespan.co.uk; ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [ppml] RIR's should have power to suspend 
> Member's registration in specified circumstances
> 
> 
> In message <000a01c27c64$2e4e4350$f9ecdfd8 at laptoy> (on 25 
> October 2002 14:21:52 -0600), john at chagres.net (John M. Brown) wrote:
> > what exactly would this solve?
> 
> They don't have the IP addresses in question anymore; 
> allocate them to another party. There are a _large_ number of 
> IP addresses that could be freed up if this policy were put 
> into effect, making a massive improvement in the current IP 
> address shortage.
> 
> 	-Allen
> 
> > there data is removed from the whois ??
> > 
> > The RIR's have no control over routing tables, and we don't 
> want them 
> > to.
> >
> > john brown
> > speaking for himself
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On
> > > Behalf Of Chris Jones
> > > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:09 PM
> > > To: ppml at arin.net
> > > Subject: [ppml] RIR's should have power to suspend Member's 
> > > registration in specified circumstances
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I make use of the details contained in the RIR registry
> > > databases to trace the source of spam emails. While the 
> > > majority of members do maintain their registration details 
> > > accurately, there are some who do not. In the way of these 
> > > things, most of the latter are where some of the most regular 
> > > spammers originate. Failure to communicate effectively is 
> > > probably the worst offence any organisation or individual can 
> > > be guilty of. Therefore, I am recommending, as an aggreived 
> > > user of these inaccurate RIR records, that ARIN (and RIPE and 
> > > APNIC) should be allowed to suspend any registrant who fails 
> > > to amend within a specified period of time, their 
> > > registration (together with all of their customers/users of 
> > > course) to ensure consistent accuracy.
> > > 
> > > The proposed suspension should last until the member has
> > > corrected the errant details or until such shorter period of 
> > > time that the RIR allows. This proposal would have the 
> > > benefit of persuading these ISP's to police their customers 
> > > use of the internet mail system more effectively.
> > > --
> > > From
> > > Chris Jones
> > > mailto: chris at telespan.co.uk
> > > web: http://www.telespan.co.uk/
> > > 
> > > My PGP Key:-
> > > RSA 2048/1024     Key ID:  0x2B1F1593
> > > Fingerprint:  B073 FE31 0A6A 6BD6 C4DB  750D 2B30 D0E7 2B1F 1593
> > > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Allen Smith			http://cesario.rutgers.edu/easmith/
> September 11, 2001		A Day That Shall Live In Infamy II
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little 
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - 
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