[ppml] ARIN Policy Proposal 2002-9
Jeff Urmann
Jeff.Urmann at HFA-MN.ORG
Tue Oct 1 19:25:45 EDT 2002
On Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:18 PM John M. Brown (john at chagres.net) wrote:
>Is it fair to ask providers across the globe to carry your
>route?
Absolutely. IP (the internet) has been around for more than
three decades. It is the responsibility of an internet router
to route ip traffic. The internet belongs to the world. If a
provider chooses to not route traffic, then that is their loss.
They will not last long. It should not be ARIN`s responsibility
to keep only providers happy. A compromise must be found.
>The prime issue here is about routing table size. Memory is
>cheap, CPU is even fairly cheap today. Yet there is a point
>at which it is "costly" to lookup your route. Even using
>some of the new Radix methods its still costly in the sense
>of latency and other metrics.
I would like to have a non-routable /24. Since you think the
prime issue is about routing table size, then maybe ARIN could
set aside address space for non-routable /24s. Then both of
us would be extremely happy. How`s that for a compromise?
>There are 33,000 registered business in New Mexico (my home
>state). We are a small state.
>If we say that the average state has 15,000 businesses that
>should have a /24, that would create a routing table around
>750,000 entries.
>That doesn't scale well. Memory requirements far exceed current
>in production routing equipment. Further route flap from all
>of these prefix's could cause more BGP traffic than SPAM does. :)
So, we should just leave all of these addresses _reserved_
forever? Or only available to the fortune100? All because
routers are slow? Make /24s available to small businesses and
router vendors will be forced to make it scale well.
>Most small business don't even have 15 hosts, let alone 254 of them.
Which companies did you poll? My numbers would be significantly
different. But I do not have facts, so I will not publish them.
>Bottom line is that the RIR's need to operate based on what works
>well for the various users of the space. Allocating /24's to every
>business that comes along is not in the best interest of the
>global internet.
Obviously I disagree. Providers will just have to upgrade their
routers. ;)
So what if we run out of IP addresses. If I can`t get one because it
is _reserved_, it may as well be non-existent. Don`t punish me.
Make policy that gives ARIN teeth to go after wasteful corporations
to get unused space back. All of these addresses are currently in
the routing tables; aren`t they? Maybe providers should remove
these addresses from their tables. That should speed things up
a bit???
Jeffery D. Urmann - Jeff.Urmann at HFA-MN.Org
Network Analyst
Hennepin Faculty Associates
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