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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:18 PM John M. Brown (john@chagres.net) wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Is it fair to ask providers across the globe to carry your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>route?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Absolutely. IP (the internet) has been around for more than</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>three decades. It is the responsibility of an internet router</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to route ip traffic. The internet belongs to the world. If a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>provider chooses to not route traffic, then that is their loss.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>They will not last long. It should not be ARIN`s responsibility</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to keep only providers happy. A compromise must be found.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>The prime issue here is about routing table size. Memory is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>cheap, CPU is even fairly cheap today. Yet there is a point</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>at which it is "costly" to lookup your route. Even using </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>some of the new Radix methods its still costly in the sense</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>of latency and other metrics.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I would like to have a non-routable /24. Since you think the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>prime issue is about routing table size, then maybe ARIN could</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>set aside address space for non-routable /24s. Then both of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>us would be extremely happy. How`s that for a compromise?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>There are 33,000 registered business in New Mexico (my home</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>state). We are a small state. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>If we say that the average state has 15,000 businesses that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>should have a /24, that would create a routing table around</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>750,000 entries.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>That doesn't scale well. Memory requirements far exceed current</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>in production routing equipment. Further route flap from all</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>of these prefix's could cause more BGP traffic than SPAM does. :)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>So, we should just leave all of these addresses _reserved_</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>forever? Or only available to the fortune100? All because</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>routers are slow? Make /24s available to small businesses and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>router vendors will be forced to make it scale well.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>Most small business don't even have 15 hosts, let alone 254 of them.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Which companies did you poll? My numbers would be significantly</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>different. But I do not have facts, so I will not publish them.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>Bottom line is that the RIR's need to operate based on what works</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>well for the various users of the space. Allocating /24's to every</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>business that comes along is not in the best interest of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>global internet.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Obviously I disagree. Providers will just have to upgrade their</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>routers. ;)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>So what if we run out of IP addresses. If I can`t get one because it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>is _reserved_, it may as well be non-existent. Don`t punish me.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Make policy that gives ARIN teeth to go after wasteful corporations</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to get unused space back. All of these addresses are currently in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the routing tables; aren`t they? Maybe providers should remove</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>these addresses from their tables. That should speed things up</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>a bit???</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Jeffery D. Urmann - Jeff.Urmann@HFA-MN.Org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Network Analyst</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Hennepin Faculty Associates</FONT>
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