[ppml] Last Call for Comment: Policy Proposal 2002-6 (fwd)

[Einar Bohlin]

Hi Alec,

I saw in the meeting notes that an APNIC rep mentioned
that this was seldom used because renumbering seemed to
be a deterrent.

I think renumbering is a concern for legitamate users
of nets and they won't bother to use this policy.  It's
the other guys who'd take advantage of this that worry me.

I don't see a way to make this better, it's a bad idea and
I believe the board should not ratify this one.

There's not enough good compared to the opportunity for abuse.

Is it assumed that if someone turned in non-contiguous
swamp nets, that they'd get a cidr from the swamp range?
In the example, where does the /22 come from, the swamp
or the current range, or is it ARIN's choice?

Cheers,

Einar Bohlin

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Alec H. Peterson wrote:

> Hi Einar,
> 
> Do you have any suggestions on how the policy could be changed to address 
> your concerns?
> 
> Alec
> 
> --On Tuesday, November 12, 2002 16:05 -0500 Einar Bohlin <ebohlin at uu.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > RE:  IPs, new for used
> >
> > This looks like a blacklisted IP exchange; kind
> > of like a dirty needle exchange program.
> >
> > Does a legacy B and a /24 get you a /15?  And no fees
> > for this? Sign me up, and give me those /24s we gave back to
> > ARIN recently (just kidding).
> >
> > Used IPs are not as good as fresh ones.  What's
> > ARIN going to do with the used ones?  Will
> > there be reduced fees for those used IPs?
> > (arin-usedIPs.net and arin-half.com are available).
> >
> > Keep in mind that when this is properly abused many of
> > these requests will have to turn into transfer requests.
> >
> > This is to reduce routes? It looks too easily abused, with
> > dubious results.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Einar Bohlin
> > IP Team
> > UUNET Technologies, Inc.
> > Phone: USA 703 886-7362
> > email: einar.bohlin at wcom.com
> > (VNET Number 806-7362)
> >
> > *** Last Call: Policy Proposal 2002-6 ***
> >
> > 2002-6: Aggregation Requests
> >
> > If an organization, whether a member or non-member, ISP or end-user,
> > relinquishes a group of portable, non-aggregatable address blocks to
> > ARIN, they shall be allowed to receive a block in exchange, /24 or
> > shorter, but no more than the shortest block that could contain all of
> > the returned blocks.  Exchanged space shall be returned within 12
> > months.  For example, if an organization relinquished three /24s, they
> > should be allowed to take either a /24, a /23, or a /22 in exchange. If
> > all of the previous address blocks were maintained in the ARIN database
> > without maintenance fees, the replacement space shall be as well, but if
> > any one of the returned blocks had associated maintenance fees, then the
> > replacement block shall also be subject to maintenance fees.
> >
> >## END ##
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Alec H. Peterson -- ahp at hilander.com
> Chief Technology Officer
> Catbird Networks, http://www.catbird.com
>