ARIN Database and Template Transition
Richard Jimmerson
richardj at arin.net
Thu Feb 21 12:41:36 EST 2002
Hello Dawn,
> Is this going to be an agenda item at the next ARIN meeting? If not,
> can it be put on the agenda? I would really like to see some more
> discussion from the membership before this is implemented.
ARIN has been working with its members and the general ARIN user
community for the past year to finalize plans for a new database
schema and templates. ARIN's last two public policy meetings
(April and October 2001) featured discussions about the new
database schema and templates. On both occasions, the location
of the templates on the ARIN FTP site was announced and comments
were solicited.
The templates that are to be released in June are a result of
the feedback received following these two meetings.
The next ARIN meeting will also feature the new templates, but in
their final form, as part of a tutorial.
> Has anyone else said anything about this or is it just me?
Other than your own, ARIN has only received messages indicating
an interest to participate in upcoming beta-testing of the new
database and templates in response to the February 12 announcement
to this list.
The instructions of two of the new templates have been modified
based on your feedback.
Best Regards,
Richard Jimmerson
Director of Operations
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Dawn Martin
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:54 AM
> To: richardj at arin.net
> Cc: ppml at arin.net; dbwg at arin.net
> Subject: RE: ARIN Database and Template Transition
>
>
> Richard,
>
> Is this going to be an agenda item at the next ARIN meeting? If not,
> can it be
> put on the agenda? I would really like to see some more discussion
> from the membership
> before this is implemented. I believe that this might be more of an
> education
> issue that needs to be addressed rather than changing the process for
> updating WHOIS.
> Has anyone else said anything about this or is it just me?
>
> Dawn Martin
> dawn.martin at wcom.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dbwg-request at arin.net [mailto:dbwg-request at arin.net]On Behalf Of
> Richard Jimmerson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:19 PM
> To: Dawn.Martin at wcom.com
> Cc: ppml at arin.net; dbwg at arin.net
> Subject: RE: ARIN Database and Template Transition
>
>
> Hello Dawn,
>
> Thank you for taking a close look at the templates and asking
> for clarification. Please see the responses to your questions
> in-line, below.
>
> >1) Can the wording change for the lines 2 - 19 on the
> >Reassign-detailed to be downstream org....?
>
> In an effort to reduce the length of the labels, the word "Downstream"
> was not included in each line of the template (lines 2 - 19). We can
> expand the comment section of the template to more clearly specify
> that lines 2 - 19 require information about the downstream
> organization.
>
> >2) So now we have 4 templates to deal with instead of 1, how does
> this
> >make my life easier?
>
> I believe you are referring to the following four templates:
>
> # reallocate -- creates a registration record for a downstream ISP
> customer.
>
> # reassign-detailed -- creates a registration record for a downstream
> end-user customer who will maintain their own in-addr.arpa and POC
> associations.
>
> # reassign-simple -- creates a registration record for a downstream
> end-user customer who will not maintain their own in-addr.arpa and
> contact information.
>
> # netmod -- may be used by a downstream customer who has been given
> the authority by their upstream to maintain their own in-addr.arpa
> and/or contact information.
>
> Separate templates were created for reallocations and reassignments to
> prevent confusion between the two actions that currently exists with
> the
>
> single SWIP template.
>
> reassign-detailed and reassign-simple allow the upstream to provide
> only
>
> the data that is required, as some reassignments do not require POC
> and/or in-addr.arpa information different from that of the upstream.
>
> The new netmod template functions much like that of the current netmod
> template, but will add the ability of a downstream customer to modify
> their contact and in-addr.arpa information, if given prior
> authorization
>
> by their upstream.
>
> Some upstream providers will choose to use one or two of the template
> choices on a regular basis, but will have an option to use any or all
> of the templates if needed.
>
> >3) Will all assignments now only be on bit boundaries?
>
> Reassignments to the downstream that are not on the bit boundary will
> be accepted. Either CIDR notation or range will be accepted.
>
> >4) Except for customers who want their own contact POC information
> >associated with their WHOIS registration is there any reason to use
> the
> >detailed template?
>
> The reassign-detailed template would be used if there was a need for
> the
>
> downstream to maintain their own contact or in-addr.arpa information.
> If
> the downstream does not need to maintain any of this information, the
> reassign-simple template may be used.
>
> >5) The templates for detailed assignment and
> ARIN-REALLOCATE-3.0-200201
>
> >are the exact same templates except for the template heading. Can't
> there
> >just be one template with a question on is this an assignment or an
> >allocation to a "ISP type" customer? This would get rid of one
> template.
>
> In gathering requirements for the new database and templates it was
> made
>
> clear to ARIN that there was a need to eliminate the confusion between
> making reassignments and reallocations by separating the templates.
>
> >6) The netmod template is now part of the SWIP process for any
> customer
>
> >that has an org ID and we need to modify or remove the registration.
> >And the other "LONG" forms are only for New templates for customers
> that
> >need POC information associated with them. The short form is only for
> >customers that do not have POC information associated with them.
> What
> >POC information will be seen on these "shorter" form?
>
> In the case of simple reassignments, the POCs will be whatever is
> associated with the upstream's network, either the net-tech POC or the
> org-tech POC.
>
> Richard Jimmerson
> Director of Operations
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On
> > Behalf Of ginny listman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:09 PM
> > To: ppml at arin.net; dbwg at arin.net
> > Subject: RE: ARIN Database and Template Transition
> >
> >
> > >From <Dawn.Martin at wcom.com>
> >
> > I need some clarification on a couple of things:
> >
> > 1) Can the wording change for the lines 2 - 19 on the
> > Reassign-detailed to be downstream
> > org....?
> >
> > 2) So now we have 4 templates to deal with instead of 1, how does
> this
> > make my
> > life easier?
> >
> > 3) Will all assignments now only be on bit boundaries?
> >
> > 4) Except for customers who want their own contact POC information
> > associated
> > with their WHOIS registration is there any reason to use the
> > detailed template?
> >
> > 5) The templates for detailed assignment and
> > ARIN-REALLOCATE-3.0-200201 are the
> > exact same templates except for the template heading. Can't there
> > just be one
> > template with a question on is this an assignment or an
> allocation
> > to a "ISP type"
> > customer? This would get rid of one template.
> >
> > 6) The netmod template is now part of the SWIP process for any
> > customer that has an
> > org ID and we need to modify or remove the registration. And the
> > other "LONG" forms
> > are only for New templates for customers that need POC
> information
> > associated with
> > them. The short form is only for customers that do not have POC
> > information associated
> > with them. What POC information will be seen on these "shorter"
> > form?
> >
> > -Dawn Martin
> >
> >
> #####################################################################
> > 1. Registration Action:
> > ## Specify N for New, M for Modify or R for Return/Remove.
> > ## **REQUIRED**
> > 2. Network Name:
> > ## List a network name to identify the reassigned network,
> > ## using no more than 50 characters. **REQUIRED**
> > 3. IP Address and Prefix or Range:
> > ## Identify the network being assigned using either IP
> address
> > ## and CIDR prefix, e.g. 10.1.0.0/19, or IP address range,
> > ## e.g. 10.1.0.0 - 10.1.31.255. **REQUIRED**
> > 4. Customer Name:
> > 5a. Customer Address:
> > 5b. Customer Address:
> > ## Use as many Customer Address lines as needed to specify
> > ## street address, using no more than 200 total characters.
> > 6. Customer City:
> > 7. Customer State/Province:
> > 8. Customer Postal Code:
> > 9. Customer Country Code:
> > 10. Public Comments:
> > ## Comments listed here will appear in ARIN's WHOIS
> database.
> >
> > END OF TEMPLATE
> >
> >
> > Dawn Martin
> > WorldCom IP Planning Analyst
> > dawn.martin at wcom.com
> > (703)886-4746
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-arin-announce at arin.net
> > [mailto:owner-arin-announce at arin.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jimmerson
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:08 PM
> > To: arin-announce at arin.net; ppml at arin.net; dbwg at arin.net
> > Subject: ARIN Database and Template Transition
> >
> >
> > ARIN will transition to a new database and templates in
> > June of 2002.
> >
> > Over the past year, ARIN has developed requirements for the
> > new database with input from members of the ARIN user community
> > at ARIN meetings and on the DB Working Group mailing list,
> > dbwg at arin.net.
> >
> > A training program describing the new database and templates is
> > currently under development. This training program will be offered
> > in person at the upcoming ARIN meeting in April, and on-line for
> > those who are unable to attend the meeting. Training will focus
> > primarily on the new objects of the ARIN database and the newly
> > designed templates. The newly designed templates are available
> > now at:
> >
> ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/new-templates/
>
> The templates incorporate the comments submitted via the DB Working
> Group with the efforts of Registration Services and Engineering
> Departments. ARIN is providing these templates well in advance of
> the conversion, and is encouraging those ISPs that have auto-generated
> SWIPs to revise those scripts, and submit templates as beta tests.
>
> ARIN will solicit beta testers from the community for the new database
> and templates. Participation will be open to all interested parties.
> More information about beta testing will soon become available.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Jimmerson
> Director of Operations
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
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