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[John Curran]

Patrick -

Understood, and to the extent that ARIN is a member-based organization, it’s fairly important that we try to get new members involved in its governance by default.

Some may unsubscribe (and then later gripe about fees or services being set without their input…) but that’s still better than them being unaware of their ability to participate.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


On 16 Oct 2018, at 7:25 PM, Patrick Laughton <patrick.laughton at teleperformance.com<mailto:patrick.laughton at teleperformance.com>> wrote:

Just to be clear – I wasn’t protesting the act of full, voting ARIN members being subscribed to ARIN-Discuss, just the assertion that every list member was there by their own explicit actions.

I would consider the “welcome” email that I quoted to be sufficiently transparent as to “why I’m getting this ‘spam,’” and that the nudge toward the operational community is warranted, given the scope.

And it’s not like it’s wildly complex to unsubscribe (assuming the requests are correctly getting processed, anyway).

Patrick

From: ARIN-discuss <arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net<mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net>> On Behalf Of Andrew Dul
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Perhaps ARIN-discuss should be opt-in rather than opt-out by default.  I have no problem with arin-announce being opt-out by default, since that is a moderated and generally low-volume list.

Andrew

On 10/15/2018 5:52 PM, Patrick Laughton wrote:
Timothy,

Thanks, I was about to chime in with the same correction and a specific citation.

From the "Welcome New ARIN Member!" email I received:

"As a member, you’re subscribed to ARIN-Discuss, a member-only forum offering our member community a platform to discuss ARIN-specific issues such as, but not limited to internal policies and fee structures. You’re also subscribed to ARIN-Announce, used by ARIN staff to provide timely information on key issues affecting our members and the Internet community. Please also subscribe to our Public Policy mailing list so you can become active in our policy development process and following ongoing discussions that may change the way your organization can obtain future resources from ARIN. To learn more and to subscribe to these and other ARIN mailing lists, please visit our Mailing Lists page and join the discussion today! Please note, you may unsubscribe or manage your ARIN Discuss and/or Announce mailing list subscriptions anytime by visiting http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.arin.net_mailman_listinfo_arin-2Ddiscuss&d=DwMG-g&c=aXfg9j-An5sFdflqnjAj_USiCjXm5xEBIX8lTgWEt0U&r=ndXpRHR_l6-fSSMwB8IWcqzvwMOOBGvmSxw6OAwOZ-s3pnnxFMOE86VpnVNFZlULn-B6yAq90x-ATA-24WRi7w&m=ZQpr9-NrLDydgX7yfCtp12JP2BoIHJd-fJcyJ72wpXg&s=DFJJkPD8W7c2r2DL6xHbDS1UK4_U32Y7x_soXyKjO-g&e=> or http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.arin.net_mailman_listinfo_arin-2Dannounce&d=DwMG-g&c=aXfg9j-An5sFdflqnjAj_USiCjXm5xEBIX8lTgWEt0U&r=ndXpRHR_l6-fSSMwB8IWcqzvwMOOBGvmSxw6OAwOZ-s3pnnxFMOE86VpnVNFZlULn-B6yAq90x-ATA-24WRi7w&m=ZQpr9-NrLDydgX7yfCtp12JP2BoIHJd-fJcyJ72wpXg&s=z40ZSpSYGbTUbgaM3slwmEZyrxp8QjiNaUY7O4ovA18&e=>."

So, no, not all of us explicitly signed up -- I didn't, and dangit, I'm running out of popcorn.

Patrick
(via mobile)
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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 12:12
To: Michael Zindel
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Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN Election SPAM

On 10/15/2018 12:53 PM, Michael Zindel wrote:
> Oh man, when I subscribed to ARIN discuss ( * like every single one of
> you did * ) , I had no idea it would be so rewarding . Over 90% of the
> spam on this chain is people complaining about spam./ It can't get any
> better./
> /
> /
> Filter by subject line if you really don't want to be part of this
> community mailing list.

Just one small correction -- many of us didn't sign up. On our side at
least, there seems to have been an auto-subscribe to a couple of lists
including this one.

However, the point of filtering is quite valid. It's a ten second rule
to set up in Thunderbird etc., either unsubscribe or set up the rule. ;-)

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Timothy Pearson
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