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Just to be clear – I wasn’t protesting the act of full, voting ARIN members being subscribed to ARIN-Discuss, just the assertion that every list member was there by their own explicit actions.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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I would consider the “welcome” email that I quoted to be sufficiently transparent as to “why I’m getting this ‘spam,’” and that the nudge toward the operational community is warranted, given the scope.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Perhaps ARIN-discuss should be opt-in rather than opt-out by default. I have no problem with arin-announce being opt-out by default, since that is a moderated and generally low-volume list. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
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Thanks, I was about to chime in with the same correction and a specific citation.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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From the "Welcome New ARIN Member!" email I received:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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"As a member, you’re subscribed to ARIN-Discuss, a member-only forum offering our member community a platform to discuss ARIN-specific issues such as, but not limited to internal policies and fee structures. You’re also subscribed to ARIN-Announce, used by
ARIN staff to provide timely information on key issues affecting our members and the Internet community. Please also subscribe to our Public Policy mailing list so you can become active in our policy development process and following ongoing discussions that
may change the way your organization can obtain future resources from ARIN. To learn more and to subscribe to these and other ARIN mailing lists, please visit our Mailing Lists page and join the discussion today! Please note, you may unsubscribe or manage
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So, no, not all of us explicitly signed up -- I didn't, and dangit, I'm running out of popcorn.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN Election SPAM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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On 10/15/2018 12:53 PM, Michael Zindel wrote:<br class="">
> Oh man, when I subscribed to ARIN discuss ( * like every single one of<br class="">
> you did * ) , I had no idea it would be so rewarding . Over 90% of the<br class="">
> spam on this chain is people complaining about spam./ It can't get any<br class="">
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Just one small correction -- many of us didn't sign up. On our side at<br class="">
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