[arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

Tue Mar 25 15:32:03 EDT 2014

I think term limits are fabulous both for the BoT and the AC.

Paul,

That was an interesting read. You and one other have already commented on the third item but I think the second item cancels itself out.

One could argue just as effectively both sides of it given:

A. Each AC term is already a predefined length allowing any "large player” (or any player for that matter) time to target specific individuals as it is public knowledge when every term will end. In fact, that target date is listed in the last sentence of every AC member. https://www.arin.net/about_us/ac.html

B. Given the absence of term limits one could just as easily argue the opposite of your suggestion regarding inappropriate industry influence. Having a member on the board for so long paints a very attractive target for any “large player” to work on persuading. In fact, i believe this very reason most folks tend to argue for term limits, not a reason against them.

I believe having fixed term limits for both positions will mitigate the impact of all of your concerns. It limits the damage that can be caused by someone who is ‘bought’ before or after winning a seat with a fixed length term. In my experience, in going through these elections myself, it isn’t an issue of money. It isn’t necessarily even an issue of ideas, nor is it an issue of experience. It is more an issue of popularity. I also agree with those who said the incumbent always has a very decisive and inherent advantage over any unknown quantity.

In reading through the profiles Marla’s suggestion appears to impact the following AC members:
Dan Alexander who has been on the AC since 2005
Cathy Aronson who has been on the AC since 2001
Bill Darte who has been on the AC since 1997
Owen DeLong who has been on the AC since 2007
David Farmer who has been on the AC since 2008
Stacy Hughes who has been on the AC since 2002
Scott Leibrand who has been on the AC since 2007
Heather Schiller who has been on the AC since 2006
Robert Seastrom who has been on the AC since 2003
John Sweeting who has been on the AC since 2008

I agree with Scott Leibrand in that it will impact a decent chunk of representatives (2/3rds). However, 1/3 (5) are already up for re-election this year, less than a third (4) are up for re-election next year, and more than a third (6) are up for re-election in 2016. I don’t personally see any harm in it’s immediate implementation.

Jesse

On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Paul Timmins <ptimmins at clearrate.com> wrote:

> I have concerns that forcing people out of a position where people repeatedly vote for them is undemocratic, and can threaten the stability of the regulatory regime by forcing people with experience out of a role when their judgement may be perfectly okay and properly reflect community consensus.
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> It also can promote inappropriate industry influence by allowing large players to target roles well in advance knowing a certain candidate will be out of the election to cause undue influence on ARIN's policies.
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> Additionally, the proposal is being floated by someone who has been on the BOT for 6 years, and thus their judgement may be clouded because they've been on the BOT too long.
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> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] on behalf of Radzwon, Tony [Tony.Radzwon at integratelecom.com]
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> I second that….
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> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Steven Ryerse
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> I would support this.
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> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Azinger, Marla
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> Having been on the AC for a 6 years I support a term limit for the AC.  
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> When on my 4th year I pursued creating a term limit.  At the time I was told this was an action the BOT would have to take.  No action was taken.  Later I inquired on this being submitted as policy since the BOT did not take action.  I was told it would be thrown out since it’s not a matter of policy.  Now with time and reviewing other public posts, I have more hope this will be taken seriously and something done.  I include this small history on my experience to show that the idea of term measures has been around for a  while but for some reason never gained traction.
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> I believe a balance between familiarity, hitting a productive stride, burn out and mind melting needs to be balanced out with fresh able minds.  I also believe a solid 3 year break is needed for people to re-integrate as a non-AC person and regroup.  Leaving anyone on a committee for more than 6 years opens the door to stagnation, burn out, and conformity of thinking.  Remember, just because someone is not on the AC any longer does not mean AC folks can’t get advice from them if desired.
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> I propose the following be used for AC:
> -Keep the 3 year terms in place  and add
> -a 6 year contiguous term limit
> -a 3 year ineligibility year period after a term ends be it 3year or 6years
> -After 3 year ineligibility is over a person my run for a position on the AC again.
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> I believe the BOT should also have some term measures and limits.  However, I am asking someone who has served on the BOT in the past to create a thought out term plan and propose it.  
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> To keep this topic on track, I have purposely excluded the discussion of committee member candidate requirements.  This should be a separate topic that also needs discussion in order to better ensure community wide representation.  
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> Regards
> Marla Azinger
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