<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>I think term limits are fabulous both for the BoT and the AC.</div><div><br></div>Paul,<div><br></div><div>That was an interesting read. You and one other have already commented on the third item but I think the second item cancels itself out.</div><div><br></div><div>One could argue just as effectively both sides of it given:</div><div><br></div><div>A. Each AC term is already a predefined length allowing any "large player” (or any player for that matter) time to target specific individuals as it is public knowledge when every term will end. In fact, that target date is listed in the last sentence of every AC member. <a href="https://www.arin.net/about_us/ac.html">https://www.arin.net/about_us/ac.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>B. Given the absence of term limits one could just as easily argue the opposite of your suggestion regarding inappropriate industry influence. Having a member on the board for so long paints a very attractive target for any “large player” to work on persuading. In fact, i believe this very reason most folks tend to argue <b>for</b> term limits, not a reason against them.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe having fixed term limits for both positions will mitigate the impact of all of your concerns. It limits the damage that can be caused by someone who is ‘bought’ before or after winning a seat with a fixed length term. In my experience, in going through these elections myself, it isn’t an issue of money. It isn’t necessarily even an issue of ideas, nor is it an issue of experience. It is more an issue of popularity. I also agree with those who said the incumbent always has a very decisive and inherent advantage over any unknown quantity.</div><div><br></div><div>In reading through the profiles Marla’s suggestion appears to impact the following AC members:</div><div>Dan Alexander who has been on the AC since 2005</div><div>Cathy Aronson who has been on the AC since 2001</div><div>Bill Darte who has been on the AC since 1997</div><div>Owen DeLong who has been on the AC since 2007</div><div>David Farmer who has been on the AC since 2008</div><div>Stacy Hughes who has been on the AC since 2002</div><div>Scott Leibrand who has been on the AC since 2007</div><div>Heather Schiller who has been on the AC since 2006</div><div>Robert Seastrom who has been on the AC since 2003</div><div>John Sweeting who has been on the AC since 2008</div><div><br></div><div>I agree with Scott Leibrand in that it will impact a decent chunk of representatives (2/3rds). However, 1/3 (5) are already up for re-election this year, less than a third (4) are up for re-election next year, and more than a third (6) are up for re-election in 2016. I don’t personally see any harm in it’s immediate implementation.</div><div><br><div><div>Jesse</div><div><br></div><div>On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Paul Timmins <<a href="mailto:ptimmins@clearrate.com">ptimmins@clearrate.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div ocsi="0" fpstyle="1" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;">I have concerns that forcing people out of a position where people repeatedly vote for them is undemocratic, and can threaten the stability of the regulatory regime by forcing people with experience out of a role when their judgement may be perfectly okay and properly reflect community consensus.<br><br>It also can promote inappropriate industry influence by allowing large players to target roles well in advance knowing a certain candidate will be out of the election to cause undue influence on ARIN's policies.<br><br>Additionally, the proposal is being floated by someone who has been on the BOT for 6 years, and thus their judgement may be clouded because they've been on the BOT too long.<br><div><br><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span dir="ltr" style="font-size: 10pt;">Paul Timmins<br><div style="margin: 0px;"><span lang="en-US"><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Clear Rate Communications</span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><span lang="en-US"><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Direct: (248) 556-4532</span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><span lang="en-US"><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Customer Support: (877) 877-4799</span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><span lang="en-US"><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;">24 Hour Repair: (866) 366-4665</span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><span lang="en-US"><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Network Operations: (877) 877-1250</span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><span lang="en-US"><font size="2" face="Consolas"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;"><a href="http://www.clearrate.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.clearrate.com</a><br><br></span></font></span><div align="left"><center><div align="left"><font size="1">This message contains confidential information intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged. 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Old Woodward, Suite 600, Birmingham, MI 48009.</font></div><br></center></div><br></div></span></font></div></div></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px;"><hr tabindex="-1"><div id="divRpF904945" style="direction: ltr;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>] on behalf of Radzwon, Tony [<a href="mailto:Tony.Radzwon@integratelecom.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Tony.Radzwon@integratelecom.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Steven Ryerse; Azinger, Marla;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal<br></font><br></div><div></div><div><div class="WordSection1"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I second that….</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Steven Ryerse<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:13 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Azinger, Marla;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal</span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I would support this.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Steven Ryerse</span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">President</span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Azinger, Marla<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:06 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[arin-ppml] Term Limit Proposal</div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Having been on the AC for a 6 years I support a term limit for the AC. </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">When on my 4<sup>th</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>year I pursued creating a term limit. At the time I was told this was an action the BOT would have to take. No action was taken. Later I inquired on this being submitted as policy since the BOT did not take action. I was told it would be thrown out since it’s not a matter of policy. Now with time and reviewing other public posts, I have more hope this will be taken seriously and something done. I include this small history on my experience to show that the idea of term measures has been around for a while but for some reason never gained traction.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I believe a balance between familiarity, hitting a productive stride, burn out and mind melting needs to be balanced out with fresh able minds. I also believe a solid 3 year break is needed for people to re-integrate as a non-AC person and regroup. Leaving anyone on a committee for more than 6 years opens the door to stagnation, burn out, and conformity of thinking. Remember, just because someone is not on the AC any longer does not mean AC folks can’t get advice from them if desired.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>I propose the following be used for AC:</b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>-Keep the 3 year terms in place and add</b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: 0.5in;"><b>-a 6 year contiguous term limit</b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: 0.5in;"><b>-a 3 year ineligibility year period after a term ends be it 3year or 6years</b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: 0.5in;"><b>-After 3 year ineligibility is over a person my run for a position on the AC again.</b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: 0.5in;"><b> </b></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I believe the BOT should also have some term measures and limits. However, I am asking someone who has served on the BOT in the past to create a thought out term plan and propose it. </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">To keep this topic on track, I have purposely excluded the discussion of committee member candidate requirements. This should be a separate topic that also needs discussion in order to better ensure community wide representation. </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Regards</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Marla Azinger</div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-Discuss<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-discuss@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">ARIN-discuss@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>